Yet another Emerson thread in General....

My problem with the review was that some of the criticisms were just plain silly, and uninformed. The torx screw comment is a shining example. Also, on the one hand you thought the blade was too short, on the other you're complaining about the size of the knife(I know, it was width that was the problem). Cutting down the size of the scales and/or liners on the knife would weaken the handle even more, and people are already complaining about scale flex. I don't think thinning the knife out is a good idea. The fact that you don't feel comfortable carrying it in your pocket is very subjective. That doesn't bother me, I personally like a thick, heavy folder, and would prefer the commander be longer, and just a tad thicker. If the knife is hard to open with the thumb disk then loosen the pivot screw, that's where those low quality slotted screws come in to play, bust out your thumbnail and twist that baby counter-clockwise.
 
Don,

You did an effective job of addressing his review this time around.

Gator,

I don't think you need to explain yourself any further. Although it is a shame you had to in the first place. You also have done a good job of keeping your cool against those who have basically called you stupid.

Apthartos,

Good grammar has nothing to do with logic. I'm sorry, you are wrong.
Logic is completely math, right lobe oriented.
Grammar is completely verbal, left lobe oriented. Your example was an admirable effort, but it is a stretch in this case. You are talking about the subtleties of misplaced words or punctuation changing the meaning of a statement. We are not talking about subtleties of statements, we are talking about the quality of an overt review on a product.
Besides, as Gator pointed out, he is foreign, which I don't believe any of us picked up on. If we did, no one said anything about it. So for a foreigner to not be 100% correct in our grammar, makes his statements less logical? If he was an ethnic American and he just had poor grammar, how would this be any different than if he was a foreigner?
 
Originally posted by Gator97
When I said I don't like disk opener Don stated:
"the choice of Manual Opener really is an intensely Personal Taste and Feel."

Ok, fine, who's arguing? But when I said "IMHO 3.75 inches is too small" Don calls me a midget. I can't have my humble opinion about the blade length Don? Apparently, in Don's universe those personal tastes are allowed only on manual openers, and that only if you favor disks. And so on...
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Hey Gator, where are the MANY complaints about loose discs? I'm waiting...

[crickets chirping in the background]

Originally posted by vapid Gator:
P.S. As of your messages, I can see how you use your perfect english - WTF, F%#$%k em, etc.. How eloquent. Is that comming from online grammar tutrotials? [/B]
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English. Typo
"coming" typo
"tutorials" typo

I know you're pissed, and you have reason to be. I'd be pissed too if I were you.

As for, "WTF," that is recognized as being a somewhat "polite" version online of, "What the f*ck?" As in, "What the f*ck is this person talking about?"

In Webster's New World Dictionary, "f*ck," minus the asterisk and adding the u, is a recognized word. Heh...

It is interesting that you wish to comment on "WTF" instead of addressing what I said. Can you please explain the difference between a slashing cut and a slicing cut? "WTF" in that instance meant this specifically, "What the f*ck is he talking about?"

Of course, you can't explain it, because it has no explanation in the Defensive Realm. You should stick to writing reviews on Cutlery that are not geared to Self-defense...I don't know. Perhaps you can thrill me on a whittling review, but you don't know squat about using them in the other realm although you see fit to critique the knife as it exists in that very realm.

In closing, to review;

1. Where are all the "many complaints" about loose thumb discs that are coming loose again after you tighten them?

2. Explain to me how the Commander can slash well but not "slice" well.
 
komondor thanks for understanding.

Originally posted by Don Rearic
Hey Gator, where are the MANY complaints about loose discs? I'm waiting...
Mine is. Can't be true, right?

Originally posted by Don Rearic

English. Typo
"coming" typo
"tutorials" typo

I know you're pissed

Apparently that is your goal? And then you complain about trolls huh :)Though UR wrong. That webpage of mine, is up for more than 2 years now and had over 700K visitors. I get more than enough hate mail, mostly because of the nuks and guns,
I've had folks promising to blow me up with my own nuks(?), requesting money from me because they got exposed to radiation in 1956 and now think that I am somehow responsible for it, etc.
So I am more or less used to it ;)

and you have reason to be. I'd be pissed too if I were you.
Like I've said before you shouldn't judge everyone by yourself and your actions. Because you buy Emerson knives doesn't make them the best in the world, same here, because you get pissed if someone tells you about UR mistake or error doesn't mean everyone can't stand that.

Let me rephrase. I know I am not an expert in cutlery, BTW on the first page of my knife pages I say that too, "I am far from being an expert in this area". I know I have problems with my English,
and I will work as the time permits to improve it, therefore I don't get mad because someone points out my mistakes. People do that more often than you think, though as usual they just advise to check particular page or a phrase, instead of basically calling me stupid.

Of course, you can't explain it, because it has no explanation in the Defensive Realm. You should stick to writing reviews on Cutlery that are not geared to Self-defense...
Don, first of all unlike U I have never claimed I was an expert and the example to follow, in cutlery or knife fighting. Then, the knife is described and promoted as #1 hard use, perhaps because of my English (again!) I understood that as a user knife too. For which I think (and I do not insist unlike U that everyone has to think the same) chisel grind is not very well suited. Did I say it was no good for self-defense use? Not sure why it's better though[the chisel grind].

Explain to me
That's definitely beyond my capabilities :) You won't accept anything more than mentioning of "some problems with QC in the past", with anything more than that you'll get righteously hysterical on me again, and I do not see the point in all that.
 
Logic is completely math, right lobe oriented.
Grammar is completely verbal, left lobe oriented.
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You've confused logic with brain functions. Amusing, if not interesting.

Logic is completely math, right lobe oriented.
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As I said, confusion of logic with brain functions. Also, philosophical logic is a system of thought centered around the assumption of the truth of the law of non-contradiction. Mathematics is a large system with a large number of assumptions as to the existence, nature, and relations of numbers.

So for a foreigner to not be 100% correct in our grammar, makes his statements less logical?
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Yes, it does. The idea he attempted to convey through the statements isn't affected by the grammar, but the statement itself can be more or less logical, depending on grammar. But here you've also confused the statement with the idea behind it. Suppose I say "I am a rock-like person" but the meaning I intended was "I am a person who likes rocks".

You're applying the mind sciences to a subject that they have nothing to contribute to.

Edited to change some words.
 
Originally posted by Gator97
Originally posted by Don Rearic
Hey Gator, where are the MANY complaints about loose discs? I'm waiting...


Mine is. Can't be true, right?
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OK, is this a language problem, are you stupid? Or are you just covering your ass because you stated something false?

WHERE ARE THE "MANY COMPLAINTS" ABOUT THUMB OPENING DISCS COMING OFF OF EKI COMMANDERS?

Do you, as an individual, qualify as "many?"

APPARENTLY SO.

Please enlighten me as to how a knife can slash but not perform what you refer to as, "a slicing cut." One more time Gator.

You're not stupid because of the lack of English skills. You're stupid because you keep running from your exaggerations, lies and stupid statements.

If someone is choking me, and I place a blade on them and cut them, is that a "slicing cut?" And, if so, please explain to me why a Commander will slash but not do as well on a deliberate, slicing cut where more pressure can be applied.

The point is, your review is extremely stupid in some places because you have no idea what you are writing about.

"Expert" simply means you have nothing else to learn, so, I'm never going to be an "Expert." But I damn sure know a bit more than you.

Here is a hint for you, unless you can point me to some magical source that will confirm what only YOU apparently experienced with a thumb disc loosening, retract it and say that was stupid...or, keep hearing it after your posts in here. "Many complaints?" Yeah right...

It's called an "exaggeration" at best, on the other end of the spectrum, it's called a "lie."

As for all the people threatening you about what you write about nukes, I have no idea where that came from Dude, I suggest if they come after you, you try a slicing cut on them with a Commander and then maybe you can write another review.
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Originally posted by Aphthartos
My problem with the review was that some of the criticisms were just plain silly, and uninformed. The torx screw comment is a shining example.
Well, like I said I am not an expert, I can make a mistake. Not because I've had a goal to "pick on Emerson", etc...
However I wrote whatever I knew and thought. Due to numbers I don't get to update those pages too often.

Also, on the one hand you thought the blade was too short, on the other you're complaining about the size of the knife(I know, it was width that was the problem).
And? Does one exclude another? I have a few folders that have longer blades yet they are not as wide. Besides I said it's not convenient to carry in a pocket, also answering Don, yes SIFU is even more inconvenient to carry in the pocket, so what? Did I say you have to?
SIFU is not my EDC either, you like you carry it, what's wrong if I don't?

If the knife is hard to open with the thumb disk then loosen the pivot screw
Well, I'll update the review probably. The thing is that when I tighten the screw enough to eliminate the horizontal blade play, then it's difficult to open it with the thumb, otherwise it has the play.
I guess I should've written more details on that one, but anyways.
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Originally posted by Aphthartos
You've confused logic with brain functions. Amusing, if not interesting.
I haven't confused anything. The function of logic, like any other human intelligent function, comes from a certain part of the brain.
Analogues, deductions, Venn diagrams, etc. are based on math oriented functions from the right side. The left side is more emotional, abstract, verbal and creative. This is fact.

Yes, it does. The idea he attempted to convey through the statements isn't affected by the grammar, but the statement itself can be more or less logical, depending on grammar. But here you've also confused the statement with the idea behind it. Suppose I say "I am a rock-like person" but the meaning I intended was "I am a person who likes rocks".
It has nothing to do with logic, and everything to do with you misinterpreting what he said, whether it was his fault or not. His mistakes change the meaning of the statements perhaps, but they do not change the logic he possesses into writing those statements.
Don't lose track of what we were originally talking about here: assuming he has poor reasoning or logical skills because of poor grammar. You can't do that, because grammar and logic have nothing to do with each other. The gravest error that can occur is misinterpreting the meaning of his statement, becasue of poor grammar.

""You're applying the mind sciences to a subject that they have nothing to contribute to.""

You are wrong. See above.
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Originally posted by Don Rearic
You're not stupid because of the lack of English skills. You're stupid because you keep running from your exaggerations, lies and stupid statements.
And all that to destroy EKI :) Take it easy Don, there's no conspiracy against U or EKI.

The point is, your review is extremely stupid in some places because you have no idea what you are writing about.
:) Ok it is, does that feel better now? What else? EKI knives are the best since U buy them and I have no idea and no right(s) to have those ideas as I do not buy them :) Why R U so pissed anyways?

But I damn sure know a bit more than you.
I've noticed that ;) Not only me but in general, U know more than 99% of the folks on this forum.

retract it and say that was stupid...
Sign a public confession perhaps? Gimme a break Ok :)

As for all the people threatening you about what you write about nukes, I have no idea where that came from Dude
Strange. I thought U'd know... :(

I suggest if they come after you, you try a slicing cut on them with a Commander and then maybe you can write another review.
Aye, aye Sir. Also I promise, if I'm ever in the mood to write any other review of EKI product(s) I'll send it first to U, for the approval. The above can be applied to any other reviews of any other manufacturer's knife I will every write in the future. Hope that does it for U Don ;) If you have any other requests please do not hesitate to contact, etc... Not that you have to watch UR mouth, or U ever bother to.
I beg your pardon now, I have to go.
 
Typical troll, never explains their stupid statements and then accuses people of calling themselves "experts" and whatnot... Heh.

Just like the other Rocket Scientist who likes to claim that Ernest Emerson declared himself "The King of Knifemakers." :rolleyes:

I'm glad you have to go and hope you stay gone.
 
This has become the most absurd example of bickering I have ever read in Bladeforums. It is embarrassing. What is supposed to be a method sharing ideas and constructively discussing a subject, we all enjoy, has turned into adults sitting around accusing each other of being "stupid".

Yiikes. Take a deep breath.
 
GOOD LORD!!!!! SUSPECTS MAN THE GATES!!!!

ROSANGHAL, I say we let them in and let Mr. Emerson kill them all. I am sure he can hire a few SEALs with a few on hand customs to hose the trolls with suppressed automatic gunfire.

A little creative accounting of the ammunition and time and we call it a live fire excercise of close quarters fire in a kill-house.

Slip the O-6 in charge a full dress viper and throw the troll corpses into the Pacific.

Problem solved.

:D
 
Originally posted by memnoch
GOOD LORD!!!!! SUSPECTS MAN THE GATES!!!!

ROSANGHAL, I say we let them in and let Mr. Emerson kill them all. I am sure he can hire a few SEALs with a few on hand customs to hose the trolls with suppressed automatic gunfire.

A little creative accounting of the ammunition and time and we call it a live fire excercise of close quarters fire in a kill-house.

Slip the O-6 in charge a full dress viper and throw the troll corpses into the Pacific.

Problem solved.

:D
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You have got some serious issues.
 
Gator.

Well, like I said I am not an expert, I can make a mistake. Not because I've had a goal to "pick on Emerson", etc...
However I wrote whatever I knew and thought. Due to numbers I don't get to update those pages too often.
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I can live with that.

And? Does one exclude another? I have a few folders that have longer blades yet they are not as wide. Besides I said it's not convenient to carry in a pocket
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One does exclude the other under certain circumstances. As I tried to explain, slimming the knife down would create larger problems, like a weaker handle.

Well, I'll update the review probably. The thing is that when I tighten the screw enough to eliminate the horizontal blade play, then it's difficult to open it with the thumb, otherwise it has the play.
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I know this problem. Fixing it involves loosening the second ball-detent. Search this forum and you'll find out how to fix it.

Komondor.

I haven't confused anything. The function of logic, like any other human intelligent function, comes from a certain part of the brain.
Analogues, deductions, Venn diagrams, etc. are based on math oriented functions from the right side. The left side is more emotional, abstract, verbal and creative. This is fact.
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You've still confused the two. What is logic? A system of thought. What are brain functions? That's pretty obvious, they're brain functions. The two are NOT the same thing, although they are related. Most people who've seriously studied anything in philosophy of mind learn these things rather quickly. Logic doesn't "come from" anywhere, that's a nice phenomenological fairy tale, but it's irrational. I also hate to burst your bubble, but mathematics and logic are abstract.

Don't lose track of what we were originally talking about here: assuming he has poor reasoning or logical skills because of poor grammar.
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I did go off-track. I never addressed whether or not he was logical, but whether the statement themselves were logical--rational.

You are wrong. See above.
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You keep saying I'm wrong, but it's becoming obvious you know very little about philosophy of mind. You've certainly got yourself twisted around in a mess of fallacies though.

Edited: On second thought this is only serving to irritate me and get the thread off-topic, so I'll give you the last word, komondor.
 
Originally posted by Don Rearic


It's OK, we know you wanna touch him. :D
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Don:

If you don't have anything intelligent to say about topics par example, Rorschach testing ,and its effects on Domestic Violence Issues or comments regarding Cerebral Analysis,
I suggest that you refrain from posting on this Forum! :p

Enough excrement tossing boys! Lets have some intelligent talk on Knives....;)

"Can't we all just like, get along?"

:D
 
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