Yojimbo review

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Just got her a few hours ago. I'll try to keep it short and to the point.

Positives:
- MIGHTY FINE SHARP. Scary, scary sharp, like my Gunting. Nice, but I've already dulled it slightly on cardboard... I've brushed my finger on my Gunting before and opened up a nice deep bleeder. The high flat grind on the aggressive Wharncliffe pattern gives it a needle-like tip and a knife that slices like there's no tomorrow.

- Grip ergos are extremely comfortable and lock into the hand, either in saber, hammer, or Filipino. It even works reasonably well in kitchen-knife grip. ;)

- Front guard is deep and very protective; rear taper fits well in my middle-smaller hand, but it could be a little taller. As it is now, in saber, only my fingertips actually contact the knife.

- Fit and finish is quite good in general. The G10 is ultra-grippy; the grooves are ultra-grippy (a little painful in extended use, but grippy)

- Did I mention sharp?

Negatives:
- The action was very smooth from closed to 135deg open. Then it bound up something fierce from there to locked open. Added a drop of Militec-1 and worked the action probably 100 times and it's better, but it still gets stiff. This is annoying because the design of the "bolster" area makes your thumb pop out of the SpyderHole; once the blade seizes up in that area, it makes it hard to fully open the blade.

- Lockup is around 75% across the tang. With a fast snap open, it locks up 100% across the tang, almost pushed against the other liner. I would rather the QC would set the lockup more like 25-50%, like on the Gunting and Lil' Temp I have. Is the stop pin eccentric in that it can be rotated to shift the lockup position?

- Irritating laser marks leftover in the traction grooves and inside the SpyderHole. No biggie.

- The tip is REALLY thin and needle-like. Some full power stabs into cardboard didn't do anything to it, but I'm just counting down the days until the tip wedges into something and pops off. I might have pulled the full flat grind down a little just to give a little more stock thickness in the tip and edge.

Sal & folk,

This is a 9.5/10 knife you have here. She goes directly into my EDC. It was a long wait -- I remember the Snody version, and the announcement that Spyderco would do the production version (is it actually 3 years later?!) but it was worth it.

Next up... the meltdown Lil' Temp to replace the green one. Now that I've held the Yo', I prefer the long handle, with the balance in the palm and 3/4/5 fingers, as compared to the thicker, choked-up feel of the LT.

On the other hand, the LT's blade is a lot more diverse and functional. I like the low tip of the Wharnie, but the LT's handle has allowed access to the tip with great ease, unlike many other knives. In addition, the LT's blade is a lightsaber too, and the tip is aggressive, something I appreciate.

Both the LT and Yo are more functional than the Gunting, but that's to be expected. ;) I actually carried the G for a while as a utility knife, but it kept falling out or falling over due to the extremely low clip placement.

I really, REALLY like the Yo's deep front guard. It seems that precious few Spydercos have one of any functionality beyond a "speed bump".

Thank you!!

-jon
 
Trojanargus,

I'd love to say something helpful, but I've never handled a Dodo before.

It looks really interesting and has a similar design philosophy (hell, I use the LT and the G) but I'm sure I can't sharpen that double recurve on my EdgePro, so I never thought about picking it up. :(

Sorry. :(

-jon
 
Biogon, you review is right on the money. UPS dropped mine off todat around 3 and I cant put it down. Just one question though? You said its going into your EDC rotation, are you going to be using it for light duties or hard use? Like you Im concerned about the really fine tip.
 
Funny though, I read a comment somewhere (can't rememner where) which said that Fred Perrin once tested the Y's tip by sticking it into a pig skull, and it piercd thru...
 
Parallax said:
Funny though, I read a comment somewhere (can't rememner where) which said that Fred Perrin once tested the Y's tip by sticking it into a pig skull, and it piercd thru...

that was the ronin?
 
Parallax/Spyken,

IIRC, he did in fact stab the Ronin (not the Y) through the skull...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266766

... but I remember him mentioning that his Ronin now has a rather rounded tip. I can't find that one... maybe it was someone else. I can't believe it's possible that this tip would survive real hard smashing about... although if anything, it might just lose the sharpened forward 1/16"...

In any case, I thought I saw a report of a Y with a broken or snapped tip... can't find it. There are reports of snapped Delica tips and this one is FAR thinner and narrower. It's just a matter of time before it happens, unless no one dares use the Y in the way that they abuse their Delicas. ;)

Seems like there are no reports of Ronin broken tips yet. (Ronin has VG-10; Y has S30V but I doubt there are significant differences in this area?)

Even if the tip lost 1/8" to 1/4" or so, it would still punch through stuff with great ease and the edge is still veeeeeeery functional. Doesn't mean I'll try it.. nor will I use it like I use my Emersons to pry and pop those industrial staples. ;)

Chris,
Nope, light duty and possible SD. Generally, I (fortunately) don't need to use my EDCs in actual hard use... primarily cardboard, paper, plastic. For hard-ish use I usually have a Leatherman lying around, and if things get wonky, hopefully a 1/4" FB somewhere at hand. ;) Much as I like my folders to be as overbuilt as possible (Strider AR & GB were once in rotation) I'm trying to convince myself that folders are meant for slicing, FB's are for general hard use and prybars are for... prying. ;)

-j
 
You know what....

I did some pretty hard full-power stabs into several layers of cardboard just to see.... absolutely no change to the tip.

It's not quite as needle-like and scary as the Ronin's tip.

I wouldn't stab concrete or rocks, but I wouldn't do that with any other knife (well, maybe a Strider, which I've stabbed into metal doors and chopped up metal chairs with *big grin*).

I think I'll just use it like any other EDC but stay away from prying. It looks like directly-in stabs and plunges should be fine for tip integrity.

Anyhow, it's a Spyderco... she doesn't need to be babied. If something goes wrong, I'll send her back for some TLC.

-j
 
Thanks for the review. The itch for one of these just got more intense.
 
Like your new Yojimbo, my new Paramilitary has the lock bar in about the same position -- about 1mm. from the opposite scale. In other words, no room for wear. I'm going to exchange it today at the store where I bought it.
 
Hmm.

Another comment.

This clip, with the hole in it, is probably one of the least user-friendly clips I've used.

I prefer my clips to be tight enough that the knife doesn't shift around or fall out of my pocket with any brush against a chair or whatnot, so I bend them down to tighten the grip.

Since there's so little material left after the circle cutout, the clip takes a new set very easily. It's easy to adjust to wherever I want the tension to be.

On the other hand, even after bending it to the tension I like, after 3-4 removal/insertions, the clip has lost most of its tension such that the knife no longer sits snugly in the pocket but instead slides around (very dangerous for a tip-up design, imho; I always advocate having the spine pushed up against the seam of one's pocket to keep the tip hidden by the handle).

Catching the end of the clip on something (like a car seat or my finger, when I go to remove it) causes it to completely bend out of shape very easily. Bending it around an arc with end travel of about 0.25" (which I can do with an index finger, easily) causes it to take a new set such that it no longer touches the scale and has zero retention.

I'd prefer no cutout, or at least a more pliable/pliant/flexible steel, so it retain some springiness. And while I'm wishing, a not so shiny finish would be appreciated. And no, I DO NOT like those wiggly wire clips, either. ;)

Funny how the Lil T's clip is too hard to bend and has too much retention, while the Y's one is the opposite... I liked the old-fashioned 3-screw Spyderco clips that everyone uses (and used to use)... tried, true, and works like a charm.

I can understand the need for the cutout for grip changes, but... I honestly don't want to be doing spinning grip changes either in SD or in use...

I'd be happy to BUY a Y clip without the hole in it, but I'd wager that would be a tough thing to get off the assembly line. ;)

-jon
 
tsjeez great review, thanks a lot eyh?! ;)

Now the waiting on my Yojimbo to arrive with my supplier, got a lot worse!

insincerely yours,

Wouter
 
Mr Blonde said:
tsjeez great review, thanks a lot eyh?! ;)

Now the waiting on my Yojimbo to arrive with my supplier, got a lot worse!

insincerely yours,

Wouter

You're most insincerely welcome. ;)

I figured with all the unrequited lusting that this and other knife sites have given me, I ought to do the favour in return. ;)

-jon
 
well received it today.
i agree completely with the biogon review (except that i didnt notice the little problem opening it, mine is smooth during whole opening ,and ecellent also in spydie drop), the clip is good for indexing, but a solution like gunting (without hole) would be better and also a lower profile - i mean with a shorten part of tail out of pocket- and a black clip woud be preferably.
also ,i know quite nothin of pikal, but the pikal grip with the Y to me it's very confortable -as the traditional reverse grip-
I also own a Dodo and as SD tool it's great knife - low profile, sheeple friendly and good as utility, but you cant stab with it and this would be an advantage for the inesperienced user, like with the Spot - the Y. is undoubtely more knife fightin oriented and the tail is even better than D. for pressure joint or "skull_crushing" - hey ,i'm joking, but.. it's true :)

i agree , its' a 9.5/10 knife and my new EDC - maybe in rotation with Dodo in sheeple like situation-

bye all
 
I should be getting my new Y sometime middle of next week. I got it in trade for a Lil'T 440v TP. I am looking forward to at least handling it. Nice to see some reviews up here on it, giving it good ratings! w00t!

I maybe able to add something to this after I get it in...
 
Thanx for the comments. Appreciate.

Michael Janich designed the knife, including the tip. We built the knife to his design on the grounds that Michael is not a beginner and knows what he's doing. To date, we've not had a Roinin or Yojimbo return with a broken tip. It's not a pry bar, but it is stronger than might appear.

The clip has been re-made. new tooling. Michael wasn't pleased with the clip as it was. If you are having a problem with the clip, I'm sure we can take care of you.

Regarding "room for wear"; To date, we've not replaced any of our USA made liner locks or compression locks for excessive wear. When you use proper materials, we have not found wear to be a problem.

The Yojimbo is a very unique piece designed by a very unique individual. Try to understand and appreciate the depth of the design.

sal
 
Sal,

Thanks for the info and the behind-the-scenes look.

Don't worry... I do appreciate it. It's why I looked forward to it for the 2-3 however many years we've known about it, and why it's now my EDC. It cuts and handles like nothing else on the market.

I'm glad that liner wear isn't a problem. Admittedly, wear issues in other knives have been based on titan linerlocks.

Yes, I would very much like to get the better clip on my Y.

Do I need to send my Y into the shop for the new clip? Who do I need to get in contact with?

Thanks again. :)

-j
 
I love the Yojimbo. I've had it in an EDC rotation for about 9 weeks now. I've used mine A LOT. Great for utility work, I love the straight edge. I've had no issues with the clip, I personally like it. I did sand the G-10 that resides directly under the clip to a nice smooth finish. It withdrawls and inserts into the pocket so easily now, this is something I personally like in a clipped folder. I have had no problems with it opening in the pocket, or with it moving around along my pockets edge. I did stab my leg with it once because the "Y" was open in the pocket, but it was my fault, not the knifes, and it's a long story. I have lost about 1/16 of the tip, probably while cutting some heavy cardboard, but its been rounded slightly through repeated sharpenings and has not interfered with the knifes performance one little bit.

Great knife by a great company, imo.
 
Ok...

Some mid-term observations, after about a solid month of carry and use.

Positives:
I haven't really hit the tip much on anything. It has held up to cardboard and the like with no problems.

The edge has not even been stropped and it still digs tenaciously into a fingernail or a pen body. That thing is SHARP.

It is still as comfortable and low-profile as ever.

Negatives:
The pocket clip provides way too little tension to be secure. The knife shifts around in my pocket all the way from the left to the right just by sitting down. It has almost fallen out of my pocket once after being rubbed up when I sat down in my car.

There is something truly screwed up with the pivot. When I open it, the blade binds up somewhere around the 90degree mark. Looking closely at the liners and blade, it appears that the pivot hole is not completely true and perpendicular to the line of the body. This causes the blade to veer imperceptibly toward the obverse side when opening. Because the washers are so incredibly small and thin, the blade actually RUBS against the obverse liner surface and binds up against it. It makes the action very tight around the 90 degree mark.

Second, the head/female socket on the the obverse pivot pin (the barrel side) came from the factory stripped. I know this because the pivot worked its way loose enough for the blade to just about fall open/closed (within the first 90 degrees from closed, that is... afterward, remember, it binds on the liner) when the lock is disengaged. I like a little more tension in my pivot to prevent too quick sliding of the blade when opening.

I did not know which was the barrel side and which was the screw side, so I inserted a T10 Torx driver into the front/obverse side.

When I tried to tighten the obverse/front side, I found that the female socket for the pivot was not only very shallow, it was stripped such that a size T10 Torx had about +-20 degrees of play. I did not try to tighten the pivot any more. There was so little engagement (less than 1/3 to 1/2 of a mm) that I was afraid of stripping the socket further.

I tried to tighten the reverse pivot pin (the screw side), and that worked fine to tighten up the action.

Curious now, I tried to tighten the body screws and noticed that they had apparently broken their Lock-Tite weld and were loose.

I therefore used two T6 Torx drivers simultaneously and tightened the two sets of two body screws.

When I went to tighten the clip screws, I found that one of the screws was too short to engage the threads in liner. It spun around madly. It was swapped with another clip screw, which fit the hole fine. Strange.

-j
 
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