You've defended yourself, what now?

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Let's say you're walking around all alone at night and a bad guy jumps you. With a very real fear for your life, you use your knife to defend yourself, leaving the POS much worse for the wear and tear. No one is around and you are 100% certain you were in the right.

What now?

Personally, I'd wipe off the knife and toss it into the deepest body of water I could find and then not tell anyone about it for quite some time. What about you guys? Do you call the cops? Do you too pitch the knife and lay low? What if it's a $300+ blade, do you pitch that one or carry around "evidence?" Thoughts?
 
Do the right thing. Do not destroy evidence. Our justice system is right and merciful. It worked for me.

O.J. Simpson
 
That is a tough question. i know "this person" who, in 1978, was driving on the cross-bronx Expressway nearing the Throggs neck bridge in NY. It was about 0330 AM and "this person" and his wife were in an old VW beetle. Along comes a full size auto containing four males who attempted to force the VW off the Road. No matter what "this person" did, the four males were unrelentless. they pulled along side, flashing weapons and signaled the person to pull over. the person driving the VW, pulled out a Colt Python .357 magnum and opened fire. The full size vehicle sped away, never to be seen again. Both side windows were blow out and all six rounds entered the passenger compartment of the full size auto. Was anyone hit? Were the Police called? Does it make a difference? i guess that are so many variables to this type of question, that until "IT" happens, I have no clue what I will do until its all over and I first count my blessings that I prevailed. Then I will have to decide if I wanna be Media topic and have to sell all my knives and guns to fight the legal system, or just be like 'that person" in the little VW bug and just keep driving and NEVER look back.....wolf
 
The problem with this senario is you can never be sure today that you were not seen. With the drastic increase in small video cameras used for "security" you mat never see the mini-mart cam' that films you from a block away.

Then you become the guy who stabbed someone and then fled the scene.

You are now the criminal.

As someone with a degree in Admin. of Justice, I would immediately call the cops, just saying there was a need for police and EMS, (looks good if after you downed the guy, then you showed interest is keeping him alive once he was no longer a threat), DO NOT SAY THAT YOU STABBED HIM OVER THE PHONE TO THE 911 person. It is recorded. Then once the police arrive SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND SAY NOTHING MORE until you have an attorney present.

It sucks that a person can be harrased for defending themselves today, but leaving the scene afterwords will only make you look really bad.
 
As someone without a degree in Admin. of Justice, I couldn't disagree with TLC, but I do want to add that hanging around the scene afterwards with a dead (or mostly dead) body and a bloody knife and hands will also make you look really bad. Those security cameras are a problem though. If you're sure no one at all saw you, there might not be anything to gain by hanging around. If you get caught after you take off, well, that's no good either.

As far as what to do with the "evidence," that's one I'm still undecided on. I mean, it's stupid to hold on to, or carry, an item which could potentially be misused against you by an overzealous anti-RKBA prosecutor who wants to send you to jail forever, but then again, how could you, in clear conscience, toss the knife that saved your life?

Hopefully we will never need to make these decisions in anything other than a hypothetical scenario. I don't know how much validity my speculations have, but I'd hate to find out the hard way, even if I'm right.
 
This is a very tough situation anyway you slice it (pun intended), if I were absolutly sure there were no witness', then I would wrestle with just leaving also. But with all the cameras today, you just cannot be sure. If the police run that camera footage on the evening news and some then calls and identifies you, you are virtually never going to convince people of your innocense.

I would recommend the book In The Gravest Extreme: by Massad Ayoob though. It deals with using a gun, but the principals apply.

The overall main thing though to me it this. If and or when the police do find you KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!!

Don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but I have seen more people drastically compound their legal problems by trying to "explain" themselves to the cops. The responding officer is not your friend. Once any hostiles are taken care of, and injured are seen to, he is now an evidence collector for the prosecution. Even if he tries to "help you out", by getting your "side" before your attorney gets there, say nothing.

Don't be hostile, or aggessive with them, just calmly request an attorney.
 
Originally posted by The Last Confederate
The responding officer is not your friend. Once any hostiles are taken care of, and injured are seen to, he is now an evidence collector for the prosecution. Even if he tries to "help you out", by getting your "side" before your attorney gets there, say nothing.

:eek: Well said.
 
Well, the way I see it, you don't go that extra step to using a weapon unless you truly feel its necessary for your survival. At that point, you are justified in using it and you have nothing to hide. Theres is no reason to get rid of the weapon, whatever it may be and there is no reason to run. Defending yourself is not against the law.
Really, you should be happy that you were prepared for the situation that came, and were able to survive.Look how many people aren't prepared and don't survive.
Follow all the rules,call the police, follow your lawyers advice and everything should come out fine.
 
PERSONALLY, (that is, this is NOT advice,) I would shake off the blade, fold it, return it to my pocket, wash my hands, or at least wipe them, and if possible, continue going wherever I was going as though nothing had happened. When I got home, I would wash the knife and dry it, then store it and use a different one for everyday carry.

Additionally, depending on the situation, I might call an ambulance from a pay phone and detail how I "found" this person on my way to where I was going. And yes, I realize that would mean the police would want to question me.

Questioning would not be a problem for me due to concience because I see it this way:
If someone tries to kill me, (the only situation I would actually use a knife on someone,) they immediately stop being a PERSON, and are now a THREAT, to be neutralized in the most efficient way possible; lethal or non-lethal.
 
You may be right Matt, but before everything works out for you, you may go through absolute hell. Even if you are in the right there is a good chance you will be charged with using excessive force. If that is the case you be taken to jail, booked, fingerprinted and pictured and made to wait until you can appear in front of a judge so that you can have bail set. You will later have to appear in court and hope that either a judge or jury or judge and jury see things your way. There is always a chance they will not. If that is the case you may well go to jail even though you are innocent of any wrong doing. Believe me this happens more than one might think. Through this whole thing you will be in a constant state of worrying and dread.

I really hope this situation never arises for me because if it does I do not know what I will do. I do not have enough faith in our judicial system that they will get things right. It would be nice if that were not the case. What I should do is immediately call the police and report what happened. What I would actually do might be something completely different.:(
 
No matter what else I decided to do, I would not throw away the knife!
 
I'm an insulin-dependent diabetic. As far as I'm concerned, even a brief period of imprisonment, waiting to see a judge, could mean shock, coma, and death, if I could not convince my jailors that we had a problem.

Although I doubt it would come to it, if I did kill someone in self-defense, I would be better off leaving ASAP, and taking my chances with the cameras.
 
First of all do not try to give any aide to your attacker. I know that that sounds heartless. But, four things are true. First, he attacked you and really has no reason to expect you to help him. Second, he may not be dead. He may be "playing possum" trying to lure you in. Just because he dropped his knife, doesn't mean he doesn't have another one. Third, it'll be hard to convince a jury that one second you were so filled with fear by this guy that you felt the need to use deadly force against him and a second later you were so filled with compassion for this same guy that you tried to give him first aide. And, fourth, the fact that the guy has attacked you is reason to believe that he may not be entirely sane. If suddenly regains conciousness, he could mistake you and your attempts at CPR for a man-eating monster from Mars trying to suck his brains out and in a curious twist, he could try to defend himself against you.

Leaving the scene of a crime will only make the situation worse legally. As has been suggested, you don't know if the situation was witnessed or even video taped. But there is one important exception. You may leave if you feel, with reason, that you're in danger just by staying there. Well, you were just attacked violently, you life was threatened. That's a pretty good reason to not feel safe sticking around. So, it's ok to leave, but don't go to far. Go to the nearest place where a reasonable person would feel safe and make your phone calls from there.

Tell the 911 operator that you were attacked and that you defended yourself, that you have been injured, and that you think you may have injured your attacker. Don't try to go into any details with the 911 operator. But, be very assertive that you were attacked and that you acted in self defense. This conversation is being taped. That's a good thing. Your lawyer can play it for the jury and say, "see from the very first moment, my client asserted that he was attacked and that he acted in self-defense." This is also why you tell the operator that you think you might have injured your attacker, not that you think you killed him. Again, your lawer will say, "my client didn't set out to kill this guy."

Once you've given the 911 operator the necessary information, where you are, where the incident happened, etc., hang up. Now, call a lawyer. Now, it doesn't really matter what kind of lawyer you call. Ultimately, you're gonna want a criminal defense lawyer, preferably one who specializes in justified use of force. But, if you don't know one, call any reputable lawyer you know. They can always refer you to a good lawyer for your special needs. If the only lawyer you know is the one who handled the closing paperwork on your house, call. Right now, any lawyer is better than no lawyer. You can get a better lawyer later.

Be factual with the police. Tell them what happened, but stick strictly to the facts. Repeat again and again that you were attacked and that you're certain that your attacker intended to seriously hurt you if not kill you. Repeat again and again that you acted in self-defense.

Once you hear the words, and you're going to hear these words, "You're under arrest," stop talking. From that point on, all you say is, "I would like to cooperate fully with you, but my lawyer told me that if I was arrested I should not answer any questions or make any further statements until he's present. So, on advice from my lawyer, I have to decline to answer your questions until he's present." The last place a police officer wants to get is between a lawyer and his client. That's not a safe place for a police officer to be.

You might ask, "Why would I be arrested? I acted in self-defense?" Well, innocent by reason of self-defense is a judgement. Police officers don't make judgements in criminal matters. That's for courts and juries and judges to do. The officer's duty is to arrest you. The court will decide if your acts were self-defense. That's the way it should be. What would you think if the fight had gone the other way and you were dead and the guy who attacked you managed to con the officer into believing that you had attacked him and that he had acted in self-defense? It's best that judgements in these matters be left up to courts.

Sometimes, police will try to get a statement from you by saying, "This is just a big misunderstanding. If you'll just answer a few simple questions, we can clear this whole thing up and you can walk out of here right away." It's not a simple misunderstanding. It's a serious situation. You could end up in prison. It's best to wait for a lawyer and handle it formally. Be sure to let them know that you have called your lawyer.

If an officer tries getting in your face, complain that you're suddently not feeling well and then fake that you're gonna throw up. No officer is going to stand there and have you throw up on his clean shirt, so he'll back off a bit. It's a stupid tactic, but so was getting in your face like that.

If they really start to press on you, complain that you're having chest pains that are starting to shoot down your left arm. They know you're faking, but they can't take the chance. You'll probably be taken to a hospital for examination.

The whole point here it to sit tight until your lawyer comes.
 
If I was absolutely sure that no one saw the incident, bystanders, cameras, etc...I would simply leave. However, if I had the slightest doubt, I would most likely call the police.
 
Excellent question.

About tossing the weapon...

Is it true that the weapon cannot be cleaned of all traces of blood and even if it could very small traces of the knife steel are left in the wounds? Thus you could be id from the knife?

Lose a $300 knife or rather $300 cheap to stay out of jail?

Its a morality issue, either you trust in the law and justice or you don't. Over here I would say I don't trust the law at all. Oh as someone with a diploma in Law, I understand the Law and chose to call it law without a capital letter.

Anyone heard of the case of the farmer who used a shotgun to defend his property from criminal gipsys? Well its his appeal case judgement today. Hope he gets off and gets a medal.

Fred Baras the 'inoccent kid who never hurt anyone' (read a list of convictions longer than my...largest knife! Inc convictions for violence) was shot in the 'back'. In fact when the farmer fired from the stairs, Fred the dead was bending over a table loading stolen goods into a 'swag bag'.

Mow its a real shame someone died, but its more of a shame that an Englishmans home is NOT his castle.

Anyway, what would I do? You work it out my friends!;)
 
This is a very hard subject to reply on seing many people have their different opinions. You have to remember that you probably will still be pumped up after this incident, with the adrenallin (how ever you spell it) still pumping. You dont really have time to sit, think and make the "RIGHT" decision. Maybe no one saw you but by staying there you risk someone walking by and reporting it to the police. Then you are at the disadvantage as it looks as you had time to sit there and make up a story.

What i would do. I've never been in this situation and hopefully never will but i would wipe the blood of my precious knife which will be praised and cherrished for the rest of my life hoping to live and tell my children and grandchildren about it. I would then call an ambulane and inform them that there is a person seriously wounded at so and so and then leave. As soon as i get home i'd get a lawyer and inform them about what had just happened.
 
Originally posted by Chris-T
What i would do. I've never been in this situation and hopefully never will but i would wipe the blood of my precious knife which will be praised and cherrished for the rest of my life hoping to live and tell my children and grandchildren about it.


You kill someone and leave them laying, I would suggest you NEVER tell anyone about it.

Remember there is no Statute of Limitations for murder.

20 years later you brag to little skippy, and he tells anyone, and it gets back to a cop you just landed on the hook for an unsolved homicide.
 
I am also an insulin-dependent diabetic (Type 1) and I would not want to take the risk of even a brief sojourn in any type of cell period. My uncle, who's also a diabetic, once nearly died in jail because his keepers refused him medical care for a long period of time. I would leave the scene of the attack and go on my way, maybe calling an ambulance for the poor ignorant chap.
 
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