ZDP-189 vs VG-10

dhaines said:
I have 2 laminated ZDP-189 blades...one from William Henry the other is a Caly 3 both easy to sharpen because it has the 420 outer steel...If you get a laminated blade you have easy sharpenability and superior edge holding performance. Buyer do your research and you will be rewarded if you get the right blade.
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I'm sorry but I'm going to have to call bull on this one.

Onless you have the weirdest laminated blade I've ever seen. OR you sharpen your blades at a zero angle (placeing the blades flat on the sharpening medium) you're not going to notice the softer outsides in sharpening.

Laminated blades are TOUGHER, less prone to breaking while retaining the extremely hard edge.

Lamination has NOTHING to do with ease of sharpening.
 
LX_Emergency said:
...OR you sharpen your blades at a zero angle (placeing the blades flat on the sharpening medium) you're not going to notice the softer outsides in sharpening.

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Lamination has NOTHING to do with ease of sharpening.
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Laminated blade core is thinner in general. So, when sharpening, as in thinning the edge you have to remove less hard metal vs. monosteel blade, which won't be as thin as laminated, to have similar strength. I'm referring to the thickness of the hard core, otherwise non laminated blade will be thinner overall.

When the knife becomes dull the edge angle becomes thicker eventually, after n number of touchups and minor sharpenings, so in the end you have to thin the edge down.
 
Are you calling Murray Carter a Lier too? See his vid I posted? And yes I do place them flat on the stone like you are supposed to in his 6 step sharpening processes only using 2 stones and newspaper!
 
Dhaines- can you post a pic of a laminated zdp knife you've sharpened by laying it flat. I don't have those sharpening cd's. I just looked at a William Henry knife and a caly zdp. There is a good bit of steel below the lamination line. I still think you'd have to remove a lot of metal for the softer steel to become part of the bevel. But yes, if you lay it flat you will definitely hit the soft steel.
 
Just got the G10 Delica... it is something above the normal plastic ones! The feeling on the hand is different, heavier, extremely nice looking steel liners...
If i was not unemployed I'd go for another Delica soon :P
 
You're running out of Delicas to buy. The waved & stainless steel versions are the only current ones you're missing. Between the G10 & ZDP 189 models I think you have the two best-ever versions covered.
 
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If you just have to buy up the present Delica family, consider a Byrd Meadowlark 2. I carry the FRN version as my work knife & I'm still amazed that it's only a $20 knife. It's basically a Delica with a finger choil. It's smooth, very light, locks up tight with no play, & is a first cousin to all Delicas. I can't speak on the G10 version but I'm very happy with mine & will be piggybacking a Byrd model on my next few knife orders. They have steel frames, bronze washers & Spyderco ergos for $20-ish. Worth considering.
 
I've had several Delicas. Only one was ZDP-189; the rest were/are VG-10. For me, the ZDP-189 was far too time consuming
to sharpen - I disliked it intensely for that reason, so I traded it very soon after getting it. VG-10 is best for my needs, especially since I don't mind touching it up every week or so.

If you're using yours a LOT, every day, maybe the better durability of the ZDP-189 is worth it. Such is not the case for me.
 
a couple of hours! really? with what sharpening system
Reeek said:
For time's sake, try to make sure you don't lose that edge completely. Just keep it touched up frequently and you may never have to fully sharpen it. And if you do, you may wish you didn't lose the edge because you'll be spending a couple hours on it getting it back ;)
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