weight it not an issue...i just want to ensure warmth and i want it to be a mummy bag...http://marmot.com/fall_2009/equipment/sleeping_bags/synthetic/trestles_0_reg........if i do buy a bag that one looks good to me but i dont know
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i like a candle lantern as a backup.
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A lot of good points mentioned...
But, if you are in a situation, with a bag that is not warm enough...
Boil water, pour into Nalgene bottle, place Nalgene bottle in sock. And put that into your bag, works like a charm.
oldpinecricker, my brother and I spent a really cold night in the Lolo National Forest, it was unseasonably cold, because we got an arctic blast that diverted into our area.
My brother and I had very sub-standard sleeping bags, luckily I remembered the trick with the Nalgene bottles, worked very well.
An image from that trip....
Best,
Marion
But, if you are in a situation, with a bag that is not warm enough...
Boil water, pour into Nalgene bottle, place Nalgene bottle in sock. And put that into your bag, works like a charm.
oldpinecricker, my brother and I spent a really cold night in the Lolo National Forest, it was unseasonably cold, because we got an arctic blast that diverted into our area.
My brother and I had very sub-standard sleeping bags, luckily I remembered the trick with the Nalgene bottles, worked very well.
An image from that trip....
Best,
Marion
A lot of good points mentioned...
But, if you are in a situation, with a bag that is not warm enough...
Boil water, pour into Nalgene bottle, place Nalgene bottle in sock. And put that into your bag, works like a charm.
oldpinecricker, my brother and I spent a really cold night in the Lolo National Forest, it was unseasonably cold, because we got an arctic blast that diverted into our area.
My brother and I had very sub-standard sleeping bags, luckily I remembered the trick with the Nalgene bottles, worked very well.
An image from that trip....
Best,
Marion
Nice Kifaru, I still have 8 more weeks till my 8 man and med stove gets here, and @12 weeks till the Koala/ straps/ Molle Express/ and other goodies arrives.
As for pads. I use to use a prolite 4 or whatever they were called before (orange pad from Thermarest) in the summer and add a ridgerest under it in the winter. But I tried the EXPED 9 deluxe, 9cm thick downfilled inflatable pad and now I sleep in the outdoors like I do in a cheap motel. Could not recommend a better pad... only downfall is pumping the dam thing up, due to the down filling you can not blow it up, Ihave a newer model that has a built in pump. Works good, and takes a few minutes to do, but for the comfort it is there. I also use a wiggys bag, yeah they weigh a little more, yeah they dont compress as nice, but they work. I was in the 0* bag smart wool base layers, temps were 0 when I hit the sack at 2200.... I awoke with Ice lining the tent, and everything frozen including the 5Gallon MWC that was in my car.
One thing I found out fast ist he cold weather stuff cost ALOT more, but is well worth it when you need it.
From the drive up the canyon...
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Your sleeping pad might be an issue. You need insulation from the ground. Great bags are trumped by bad sleeping pads. Great sleeping pad = http://www.rei.com/product/780367. Do your own independent research on them. You're looking for an R value of 4-8 for your needs.
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Looks like a lot of bag for the money, if you really need that much bag? I don't blame you though, I've spent an under prepared cold night in the woods myself before and it sucks.
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the above advice about a pad is very good and apt.
I like to add a polarfleece liner to my bag, and I have found the less clothing between me and the polarfleece the better. No problems in below zero with this setup.
Del
I like to add a polarfleece liner to my bag, and I have found the less clothing between me and the polarfleece the better. No problems in below zero with this setup.
Del
What were you sleeping in? Whatever it was, you needed more shelter? I lived south of you in the Appalachians. When I was a teen, my brother and some friends would always go camping when the winter weather shut down school. It was like a ritual. We had cheap sleeping bags, or blankets, and a poncho. The shelter was usually a debris one made against a fallen log or similar.
Seen this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlKa0w5G2V8&feature=related several subsequent videos are linked to it.
The idea is correct even though he skimps a little on the debris. Should have had more, but it probably isn't that could where he lives.
Where were you camping? Dr. Ron Hood's videos spend a lot of time on site selection. Stay away from the low areas where the coldest air settles. Look for an area with trees to create a microclimate and perhaps some large rocks to serve as a heat sink. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOpLVQJWXR0&feature=PlayList&p=2375447B2CEA922B&index=0&playnext=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw2i...B2CEA922B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1
With the correct shelter, you should be able to get by with a cheap sleeping bag or no sleeping bag at all.
IMO brains and experience are far more important than gear.
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I learned to do the same thing, but with rocks put in a camp fire then wrapped in a rag.
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Yeah, that Kifaru is not mine, but it is nice, I will pass on your compliment.
How do you like your Wiggy's?
Best,
Marion
How do you like your Wiggy's?
Best,
Marion
Nice Kifaru, I still have 8 more weeks till my 8 man and med stove gets here, and @12 weeks till the Koala/ straps/ Molle Express/ and other goodies arrives.
As for pads. I use to use a prolite 4 or whatever they were called before (orange pad from Thermarest) in the summer and add a ridgerest under it in the winter. But I tried the EXPED 9 deluxe, 9cm thick downfilled inflatable pad and now I sleep in the outdoors like I do in a cheap motel. Could not recommend a better pad... only downfall is pumping the dam thing up, due to the down filling you can not blow it up, Ihave a newer model that has a built in pump. Works good, and takes a few minutes to do, but for the comfort it is there. I also use a wiggys bag, yeah they weigh a little more, yeah they dont compress as nice, but they work. I was in the 0* bag smart wool base layers, temps were 0 when I hit the sack at 2200.... I awoke with Ice lining the tent, and everything frozen including the 5Gallon MWC that was in my car.
One thing I found out fast ist he cold weather stuff cost ALOT more, but is well worth it when you need it.
From the drive up the canyon...
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+ for the sleeping bag liner. I've put up with some seriously under-welming sleeping bags as I normally sleep cold. I have a silk liner, and have also carried a fleece blanket to line my sleeping bag with. thick loose wool socks are great if you are a cold foot kind of person. Also DRY is the key, change everything right before you get into your bag. any dampness inside the bag is a bad thing.
Finally, do not hesitate to open the bag to cool down, avoid sweat at all costs. I've gone to bed hot thinking it would be better, logic being that warmer= comfy longer, this is not so, if you are sweating you will be cold, even if you are only sweating because your feet are over-heated by thick socks and an hot water bottle.
Finally, do not hesitate to open the bag to cool down, avoid sweat at all costs. I've gone to bed hot thinking it would be better, logic being that warmer= comfy longer, this is not so, if you are sweating you will be cold, even if you are only sweating because your feet are over-heated by thick socks and an hot water bottle.
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Use 2 ground pads, 1 foam 1 inflatable. Change your socks before bed. I use fleece pants and a hooded fleece jacket to sleep in. I like the hood over a hat/balaclava. Drink something hot and eat before bed as well. Avoid cotton as it gets wet and stays wet. A wool blanket over your bag will help, the space type blankets aren't breatheable, you will wake up in a wet bag.
Wiggys are great, Im a believer, but just like asking which is better, ford or chevy, there will always be those who dont like the other. Its nature of the beast. I have used the overbag to +20 with a Kifaru Woobie crammed in there with me and slept well. My daughter and the woman has the hunter (hooded rectangular) wiggys FTRSS and enjoy them, for somereason mommy sleeps in a dam oven, at 35 she was still cold in the 0* bag, but tmy daughter slept like a rock the same night.
To the OP, another thing that can help the rating of a bag is extra insulation, a military poncho liner or simlar (I use a woobie, but its expensive). Even if you dont use it it weighs nothing, and I use it to fill voids between gear in the main section of the pack. Just a little extra insurance. Just like the foil emergency blankets you could use.