Zero Tolerance 0350 vs Spyderco Paramilitary 2 (READ DESCRIPTION)

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I know these are two very different knives. But I've looked at so many threads, and I've been recommended one of these knives. Which is more worth the money? Also, I have big hands. I do like beefy knives. For instance, I prefer my ontario utilitac over my kershaw blur.


I'm having a hard time deciding. Opinions?
 
From the way you described your hands, the ZT is going to feel more substantial to you. They're both great in their own rights so I'd say try to get your hands on both, but going off your original post, I'd go with the ZT.


(Blade forum answer: GET BOTH!)
 
I have owned four or five 350's. I've owned many PM2's and at one time collected them in the various bladesteels. They are both fine folders, but they feel very different in the hand. I own several PM2's now; have no intention of getting more ZT 0350's.
Consider the specs:
Weight: ZT is 6.2 oz; the PM2 is 3.75 oz.
Length of closed grip: 350 is 4.5" long; PM2 is 4.84" long.
Blade thickness: ZT 0.125"; PM2 is 0.140".
Blade length: ZT 3.25"; PM2 is 3.44" long.
Grip thickness: ZT is 0.500" thick; PM2 is 0.450" thick.

You said..."I have big hands. I do like beefy knives."
What may be most RELEVANT for you, as far as BEEFY goes...is the much greater weight and the grip-width...both of which go to the ZT.
But the PM2 has a longer grip; a longer AND thicker blade.
I prefer the PM2 as it feels more slim...and of course, lighter in my hands... But your opinion may differ.
Take a chance. Buy both; compare, and sell the one you don't like, in our Exchange, for a few bucks loss. It will be worth it.
 
I have owned the PM2 in the past (never wanted a ZT because of the lock). I have one on order now. It is a great knife. I have 2xl hands so a PM2 fits okay. I am exploring a Manix 2 XL now, as well. You may want to try and hold a PM2 and see if it fits your hands if they are that big. A Military or Manix 2XL may fit better. I do not know. The PM2 has a longer (thankfully) handle than blade, which some do not like, but I think is genius because it actually fits my thick muscular hands.
 
As a Millie fanboy I would say get a Spyderco Military instead.

As a liner-lock fan, between the two you've mentioned, I'd get the 0350 and de-assist it.
 
I own the 350,deassisted, and the pm2. The long handle on the pm2 is fine for all hand sizes. The pm2 is lighter for its size. The blade shape of the pm2 is more useful overall. The lockup on the pm2 is arguably stronger.The pm2 can be bought for less money. Is there really a question?
 
Thanks for all the quick replies. It seems the pm2 is lighter and more edc friendly. The zt 350 seems to fit my big hands better. I think I'll just head down to my local knife store and get my hands on some. (of course by local I mean an hour away)

Thanks again guys. I appreciate the advice. Also, forgot about the liner lock. I'm intrigued by the pm2's compression lock.
 
The Para2 has a stronger lock, designed to slice, slimmer package, lighter, available in digicamo, and less expensive.
 
I too had this debate. Bought the 0350 first and picked up a PM2 in a trade several months later. I got rid of the 0350 soon after.

Handle/grip: Keep in mind that I have normal-size hands but long fingers, so YMMV. The extra beefiness/width of the 0350 was rendered entirely irrelevant by the far superior handle design (and choil) of the Paramilitary 2. With multiple comfortable and safe grip positions, I felt comparatively ambivalent about the 0350. It's actually one of my favorite ZT designs in terms of grip, but the PM2 is just plain better.

Size and weight: The 0350 is a big, wide, heavy knife. The PM2 is an overall slimmer design as a result of its inset liners and thinner (but just as comfortable) handle. It's also lighter, although I'm not sure by how much. The ZT felt like a wide brick in my pocket, the PM2 was definitely noticeable but it sat better against pocket seams and felt more balanced as a result.

Blade: The 0350 has quite a bit of belly thanks to the recurve. Thing is, the PM2 has enough curve that it's almost all belly. More importantly, the PM2's full flat ground blade is far superior in terms of actual cutting ability. If I had to use one knife for food prep, cutting up small sticks, whittling, or really anything but prying, I'd go for the PM2. I personally have no issue sharpening recurves, but depending on the sharpening system, you might have issues. The PM2's only real downside is the relatively thin and sharp tip. If you want a knife tip to pry with, the 0350 is a superior choice, but a knife is a poor substitute for a proper prying tool and any blade that can be used as a pry tool will inevitably sacrifice cutting ability to do so.

Deployment: The 0350 is a pretty good assisted flipper. Problem is, that flipper sticks out. A lot. It tends to catch on things and while I've never had the knife deploy, it's a risk I'd rather not take given that the PM2's spyderhole is just as good and doesn't catch on much of anything. I also find the Spyderhole easier to use in gloves, although that's subjective as different gloves will yield different results. Also, the 0350 isn't nearly as smooth when de-assisted, although you can use the blade stops as thumbstuds.

Lock: 0350 uses a nice thick, beefy liner lock. It works, despite what *certain* videos may have you believe. However, the PM2's compression lock (which is really just a different style of liner lock) is SIGNIFICANTLY easier to manipulate (although it's a little less lefty friendly), and despite using a much thinner liner, is just as strong thanks to a more refined design.

That all being said, buy what makes you happy. If you really like the look of the 0350, buy one. It's a solid knife. It'll cut things. You can always try a PM2 later.....


.....that being said I started out thinking ZT's were the apex of cool knives and Spydercos were fugly as hell. It wasn't until I picked up a Spyderco and started to use it that I realized that the beauty of Spyderco's design ethos stems not from their outward appearance, but from their focus on functional and practical designs.
 
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I own the 350,deassisted, and the pm2. The long handle on the pm2 is fine for all hand sizes. The pm2 is lighter for its size. The blade shape of the pm2 is more useful overall. The lockup on the pm2 is arguably stronger.The pm2 can be bought for less money. Is there really a question?
No question here. :):thumbup:
 
PM2 is an outstanding knife but so is the ZT.

Keep in mind that everyone saying the blade is longer on the Spydie are including the choke-up choil. I believe, and I may be wrong here, that the actual cutting edge is shorter on the PM2.

I also think ZT has the edge in warranty/customer service, such as sending out free screws/pivots/pocket clips/torsion bars. They also do full blade replacements for around $30. Spyderco doesn't do that.
 
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I too had this debate. Bought the 0350 first and picked up a PM2 in a trade several months later. I got rid of the 0350 soon after.

Handle/grip: Keep in mind that I have normal-size hands but long fingers, so YMMV. The extra beefiness/width of the 0350 was rendered entirely irrelevant by the far superior handle design (and choil) of the Paramilitary 2. With multiple comfortable and safe grip positions, I felt comparatively ambivalent about the 0350. It's actually one of my favorite ZT designs in terms of grip, but the PM2 is just plain better.

Size and weight: The 0350 is a big, wide, heavy knife. The PM2 is an overall slimmer design as a result of its inset liners and thinner (but just as comfortable) handle. It's also lighter, although I'm not sure by how much. The ZT felt like a wide brick in my pocket, the PM2 was definitely noticeable but it sat better against pocket seams and felt more balanced as a result.

Blade: The 0350 has quite a bit of belly thanks to the recurve. Thing is, the PM2 has enough curve that it's almost all belly. More importantly, the PM2's full flat ground blade is far superior in terms of actual cutting ability. If I had to use one knife for food prep, cutting up small sticks, whittling, or really anything but prying, I'd go for the PM2. I personally have no issue sharpening recurves, but depending on the sharpening system, you might have issues. The PM2's only real downside is the relatively thin and sharp tip. If you want a knife tip to pry with, the 0350 is a superior choice, but a knife is a poor substitute for a proper prying tool and any blade that can be used as a pry tool will inevitably sacrifice cutting ability to do so.

Deployment: The 0350 is a pretty good assisted flipper. Problem is, that flipper sticks out. A lot. It tends to catch on things and while I've never had the knife deploy, it's a risk I'd rather not take given that the PM2's spyderhole is just as good and doesn't catch on much of anything. I also find the Spyderhole easier to use in gloves, although that's subjective as different gloves will yield different results. Also, the 0350 isn't nearly as smooth when de-assisted, although you can use the blade stops as thumbstuds.

Lock: 0350 uses a nice thick, beefy liner lock. It works, despite what *certain* videos may have you believe. However, the PM2's compression lock (which is really just a different style of liner lock) is SIGNIFICANTLY easier to manipulate (although it's a little less lefty friendly), and despite using a much thinner liner, is just as strong thanks to a more refined design.

That all being said, buy what makes you happy. If you really like the look of the 0350, buy one. It's a solid knife. It'll cut things. You can always try a PM2 later.....


.....that being said I started out thinking ZT's were the apex of cool knives and Spydercos were fugly as hell. It wasn't until I picked up a Spyderco and started to use it that I realized that the beauty of Spyderco's design ethos stems not from their outward appearance, but from their focus on functional and practical designs.

I really appreciate the in depth response. I felt the same way about spyderco. I thought the hole was dumb looking. But then I got a tenacious and soon after, a Celica with stainless steel handle. Now I'm really into them so I think I will go with the pm2 , I thought they were much closer in comparison due to the popular brand names, and price range. But clearly the pm2 is a much better choice that I think I'll be happy with. Thanks again
 
I've had both. I did not like the pm2 at first but it always ended up in my pocket. The 350 was sold quickly. The pm2 flicked, was light, cool lock and is really easy to sharpen.

If you have as big of a pair of hands as you think you do, grab a zt 0300. Now that's a substantial knife. Then again, pm2 is big enough for my King Kong hands.

Disclaimer: eventually the pm2 was replaced by strider and Sebenza but i still have it.
 
Keep in mind that everyone saying the blade is longer on the Spydie are including the choke-up choil. I believe, and I may be wrong here, that the actual cutting edge is shorter on the PM2.

Blade HQ, which always gives out compete specs (Thank YOU!)...says that you are correct.
ZT cutting edge: 3.125"; PM2 cutting edge: 3.08". However, I like the choil design on the PM2, as it allows me much better close-up control of the blade.
 
Blade HQ, which always gives out compete specs (Thank YOU!)...says that you are correct.
ZT cutting edge: 3.125"; PM2 cutting edge: 3.08". However, I like the choil design on the PM2, as it allows me much better close-up control of the blade.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, Sonny. I don't know why I didn't go search for specs myself :rolleyes:

And I know what you mean about the choil. I can appreciate the ability to choke up on the blade for detailed work.
 
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