Zero Tolerance 0500 MUDD

RamZar

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Another one designed by Grant and Gavin Hawk and dubbed the mudd knife which features Neoprene seals around the pivot and lock to keep the elements at bay. Resistant to sand, dirt and water.

The blade is Tungsten DLC coated, 3 5/8 inch long with 154CM steel.

The handle is aluminum and the scales are textured G-10 for a grip.

Looks slim (closed width) and funky good.

Any thoughts?

Anybody carry these as in EDC?

How many were made?

When were they last manufactured?

How many were manufactured?

How much were they selling for new back then and price ranges today for BNIB? I missed out on a couple of BNIB ones in the Exchange for $275.

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I recently traded for a user 0500, and it's been in my edc rotation ever since. Would love to get another one nib for the collection! So many other knives on the want list, though...
 
I never really used mine much but I carried it and played with it compulsively for a long time. It is a great fit for my hand and the action is fun, snick snick! For such a bulky knife, it does not feel heavy. (Don't even ask, mine is not up for sale, trade, or gift. :))
 
I wouldn't call the 0500 thin. I like them and wish I had one, but when they were out some people complained about the handle to blade ratio, both in length and thickness, similar to many of the reviews I've read on the Benchmade MPR. They were well made like everything ZT and have a design that you know right away is a G&G Hawk. G&G always have interesting locking mechanisms. The Crossfire lock on the Emerson Auto Commander is my favorite. The 0500 is maybe the last discontinued ZT that I want to add to my collection but just haven't found a LNIB or NIB at a decent price. I may just have to sell a 0302 and suck it up and pay what it takes. Unless I find a deal, for the just a bit more money I'd rather have 0560CBCF. Not sure if that info helps you any, but there are my thoughts on the 0500.
 
Someone say my name!? My ears were ringing!


Looks slim (closed width) and funky good. -Not really! Its beefy and awesome but still light! Aluminum handles are 6061-t6 which was a higher grade than they originally settled on, and the g10 is the most aggressive I've ever seen.


Anybody carry these as in EDC? - Once we in awhile. Weighs in at 5.0oz on my scale.

How many were made? -Nobody knows exactley, I assume low thousands. Probably 1000 - 2500 are my guess. Not nearly enough. Unfortunatley assembly and tool time took more than expected and was a pain that in the butt.

When were they last manufactured? Only manufactured for about a year or two as I remember (07-09)

Here is a review:
Grant & Gavin Hawk have been making knives in Idaho since the 1990s. Their first tactical folder was the DOG, an acronym for Deadbolt Over Grabstep. A description for the locking mechanism, his unique lock functions with debris in and around the lock mechanism. This same debris-tolerant knife design has carried forward to the Zero Tolerance 0500 Folder.The 0500 folder is a larger version of the Hawk MUDD knife, designed by the father-son team of Grant and Gavin. The G&G Hawk MUDD has a 3-inch, ATS-34 blade while the ZT 0500 has a 3.6-inch 154CM blade. The 0500 blade is a stout 0.156 inches thick. Again, the blade finish is Tungsten DLC.The 0500 saves weight by the use of 7075 aluminum handles strengthened by rough-texture G10 scales. In an age of heavily contoured handles, the 0500 has a mostly straight handle profile. However, it is surprisingly comfortable. The overall grip is improved by an angular index finger groove and a slight little finger groove. The vastly oversize pivot pin also adds to the index finger grip.The 0500 uses a Hawk (internal tang) lock. Tang locks are the strongest locks and the least likely to be accidentally unlocked. The Hawk lock can be released by a right-hander’s thumb or by a left-hander’s index finger. The 0500 also comes with a reversible pocket clip so right-handed officers can carry the tactical folder in their left pockets.One of the most unique features of the 0500 is its debris-tolerant design. Polyurethane seals and O-rings protect both the oversize pivot pin and the Hawk lock. The result is two-fold. The folder is simply impervious to dirt and sand. The blade also opens as smoothly as you will ever experience.The 0500 is a manual-opening folder with a very quirky design. It uses twin thumb discs screwed to the sides of the blade back. Is that different just for the sake of being different? The twin discs actually work just fine. In fact, they serve two functions. One is an ambidextrous opening device, where the thumb engages the bottom of the disc. The other is an excellent thumb support with the blade open, where the thumb rests on the top of the discs.While the ZT 0500 is a fairly big knife, it weighs just 4.9 ounces

I wish I could find and afford one of the original g&g hawk ones. They were actually much smaller than the Zt version.
 
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Thanks Bad_Juju. Those original G&G Hawk MUDD certainly sound even more tempting since for us here it only has a 3" blade.
 
I've got to find a nice Mudder since this thread has brought out it's great points. I hate the grit that is inevitable just from pocket carry that forces me to tear down and clean on a regular basis. But on the other hand, I don't mind doing that either as it allows me check everything out internal from time to time. Looking for a little Mudd for my turtle.
 
Ramzar,

I will attempt to answer some of your questions, based on my experiences with the ZT0500.

The 0500 is an excellent heavy duty folder. A bit chunky, but comfortable to use and carry. I EDC'd one for about 2 years.

I bought my first one back in 2009 and paid $180 for (MSRP at that time). When I heard they were being discontinued (mfg cost was too high) I purchased a second one and got a better deal ($168 incl. taxes / shipping).
The first one remains my user and the second one reposes quietly in storage.

I checked the blade date stamps and the second one I bought is marked January 2009. The other knife was sent in to ZT for a re-finish of the DLC on the blade. When it was returned, it had a new, unmarked blade installed, (no date stamp) but I recall that it was originally dated October, 2008. I'm not sure how many 0500s were made, or when the production of this model stopped / started. I think they were only made for 2 or 3 years.

I've seen BNIB examples on Fleabay fetch > $400...

Hope this helps,

Greg
 
i bought a 2nd one from a basket of blem zt500s for $95 at a knife show a few years ago...it is the one i use and the other i have is NIB...as another has stated, when they were plentiful, few wanted them...
 
Received my 0500 MUDD late today. Very unique folder and very nice.

It's the first ZT folder I've had that does NOT have a Serial Number! Little strange.

On the blade it simply says 0500 (no MUDD) and a AUG07 stamp which probably means it was manufactured in August 2007.

I vote for its imminent return!
 
Received my 0500 MUDD late today. Very unique folder and very nice.

It's the first ZT folder I've had that does NOT have a Serial Number! Little strange.

On the blade it simply says 0500 (no MUDD) and a AUG07 stamp which probably means it was manufactured in August 2007.

I vote for its imminent return!

Hi RamZar,

I agree .. it sounds fishy and would get a refund. If you find anymore and don't mind I'm looking for one also.
I'm also looking for a Kershaw 1900 E.T. External Toggle. I do not want to end up in a bidding war with a friend.

Take Care
 
Hi RamZar,

I agree .. it sounds fishy and would get a refund. If you find anymore and don't mind I'm looking for one also.
I'm also looking for a Kershaw 1900 E.T. External Toggle. I do not want to end up in a bidding war with a friend.

Take Care

I don't think the ZT 0500 knives had Serial# stamped on the blade.

New ones are going for around $400 which is what was mentioned in one of the posts here as well.

I'll let you know if/when I come across either the ZT 0500 or Kershaw ET.

No worries.
 
I don't think the ZT 0500 knives had Serial# stamped on the blade.

New ones are going for around $400 which is what was mentioned in one of the posts here as well.

I'll let you know if/when I come across either the ZT 0500 or Kershaw ET.

No worries.

Says who?

 
Mine was used and I don't see a serial# on it. It has the same "0500 - KAI Patented - MADE IN USA" like the Serial# 1614 example above. There's no "G&G Hawk Design" above it. No Serial# but below where above example has the Serial# it says "AUG07".

Could it be a replacement blade or even a fake?

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Well, I had to get up and see. Mine has G&G Hawk Design under the thumb dip forward of the opening discs. Below that, the same 0500 etc. No date but higher up on that side it has serial 1493. On the left side of the blade is the big ZT logo.
 
Mine has both a serial & born on date....i'll try to take another pic when I get home

Just picked these both up earlier in the month.....checking off G&G grails like crazy:-)
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