ZT 0562CF SpeedSafe . . . SAY WHAT???

Rasco said:
"Against instructions, I tried carrying both folders(ZT 562CF and Kershaw Knockout) in my waistband, and the blades opened accidentally."

Is this giving anyone else a red flag....?
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Yeah, I saw this too, but I try not to picture any poor moron carrying a folder in his waistband. Not something I'd be willing to test out myself. :eek:
 
bld522 said:
Either that or he didn't do his homework. It's not like specs for the 0562CF are hard to find . . .

http://zt.kaiusaltd.com/knives/knife/zt0562cf

This much is certain. If were going to author an article for Blade Magazine, I'd darn well double-check and triple-check my facts before I let it go to print.
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It might not be much of a coincidence that the magazine is on the verge of folding. Old world journalism is dying, and in some cases for good reason. If you were to make such a noticeable gaffe like that on the internet, someone would call you out on it immediately and it could be rectified. Not so much the case here.
 
The author certainly incorrectly makes this statement: "The Zero Tolerance 0562CF and the Kershaw 1870 are flipper folders with SpeedSafe® opening mechanisms."

As you know, ZT 0562CF uses KVT which is a caged bearings manual flipper. On the other hand, the Kershaw 1870 Knockout certainly uses the Assisted Opening SpeedSafe. Perhaps the author made the wrong assumption based on how resolutely the 0562CF fires.

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Rasco said:
"Against instructions, I tried carrying both folders(ZT 562CF and Kershaw Knockout) in my waistband, and the blades opened accidentally."

Is this giving anyone else a red flag....?
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That statement was made in the context of both knives presumably being SpeedSafe. Although he doesn't state it specifically, I think the point the author is trying to make is that it's never a good idea to carry assisted opening knives in the waistband. So once again, we're left with a question. Did his non-assisted 0562Cf actually open in his waistband as he claimed or is he using it incorrectly to make the point that you shouldn't carry assisted openers in your waistband?

My sense is that the author of the article has . . . as Ricky Ricardo might say . . . some 'splainin' to do.
 
RamZar said:
As you know, ZT 0562CF uses KVT which is a caged bearings manual flipper. On the other hand, the Kershaw 1870 Knockout certainly uses the Assisted Opening SpeedSafe. Perhaps the author made the wrong assumption based on how resolutely the 0562CF fires.
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Maybe the author shouldn't have made assumptions about the specifications of the knives he was reviewing at all, particularly when the facts were readily available. And then, of course, there's this:

hienho said:
Ya know what would've sucked is if someone read that article and then NOT get the knife because they did not like assisted opening.
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The flip side of that is if someone bought the 0562CF because they like assisted openers only to find out that it isn't a SpeedSafe knife. Either way, "suck" is the operative word.
 
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Again, this is all predicated on yet another assumption . . . that the ZT0562CF was built from the ground up to be a KVT knife. I have no reason to doubt Scurvy's claim that it was. But Scurvy by his own admission is not a KAI employee. And I, for one, would be a little more comfortable if I heard it from someone who is. I doubt we'll get verification from a KAI employee on this forum, of course. But one way or the other, I'm confident that more will be revealed.
 
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It just seemed like a weird thing to say in a folding knife review.
Like, "Against all advice and common sense, I tried carrying each knife clipped to the bill of my hat." I've seen guys carry in a waist holster (Charlie Mike) but inside the waistband? Like a thug carries his Glock?? I guess I don't get it.

But yeah, moving beyond that, I really don't see how a 0562CF would accidentally deploy period. The detent on mine was solid as a rock.
I'm starting to think this guy is going all Brian Williams on us...
 
Rasco said:
I really don't see how a 0562CF would accidentally deploy period. The detent on mine was solid as a rock. I'm starting to think this guy is going all Brian Williams on us...
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Let's just say he appears to have taken more than his fair share of journalistic license in crafting his review. ;)
 
Here's a thought, instead of speculating, the OP or other interested parties might write to the editor and request an explanation or if necessary (as it seems likely to be) , a correction. I don't have current issue in front of me, but I seem to recall it having a section for that. Who knows, letting them know they are making obvious mistakes may actually help them improve the magazine.
 
bld522 said:
Again, this is all predicated on yet another assumption . . . that the ZT0562CF was built from the ground up to be a KVT knife. I have no reason to doubt Scurvy's claim that it was. But Scurvy by his own admission is not a KAI employee. And I, for one, would be a little more comfortable if I heard it from someone who is. I doubt we'll get verification from a KAI employee on this forum, of course. But one way or the other, I'm confident that more will be revealed.
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The pattern was debuted at SHOT 2014 as KVT. Regardless of what internal discussions between KAI and Hinderer may have transpired during the development of the knife, by the time the design went to the actual prototyping stage, it was KVT. And the first that anyone outside KAI saw of this thing called the "0562", it was KVT.

I suppose it is possible that at some point, the idea of "let's make a ZT knife with Speedsafe using Hinderer's slicer grind" may have been floated, but there is no evidence of it ever having turned into an actual product.
 
kneedeep said:
Here's a thought, instead of speculating, the OP or other interested parties might write to the editor and request an explanation or if necessary (as it seems likely to be) , a correction. I don't have current issue in front of me, but I seem to recall it having a section for that. Who knows, letting them know they are making obvious mistakes may actually help them improve the magazine.
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Good suggestion. And I have absolutely no doubt that will happen whether I write to the editor or not.
 
bld522 said:
Again, this is all predicated on yet another assumption . . . that the ZT0562CF was built from the ground up to be a KVT knife. I have no reason to doubt Scurvy's claim that it was. But Scurvy by his own admission is not a KAI employee. And I, for one, would be a little more comfortable if I heard it from someone who is. I doubt we'll get verification from a KAI employee on this forum, of course. But one way or the other, I'm confident that more will be revealed.
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The Supreme Allied Commander of the ZT Fanboys is in NO WAY affiliated with KAI and certainly not an employee. If I was, I'd own a hell of a lot more ZT knives!!
 
Roger that, #1 ZT Fanboy and Supreme Allied Commander! :D

At this point, I assume that the REAL Supreme Allied Commander has gotten wind of what's going on, so I'm just going to step aside and wait and see what happens.
 
I have to laugh when a knife magazine makes a mistake like that. It was actually a review of the knife and not just some random mention of a knife. This guy actually used and carried it and never ONCE though that the lack of resistance when closing an "assisted open" knife? Some things like the exact materials I can excuse. But if you cant physically tell the difference between and assisted knife and a standard folder you have some learning to do.
 
Odder still when he had both a SpeedSafe knife and a KVT knife in his possession . . . or did he? :confused:
 
kneedeep said:
Here's a thought, instead of speculating, the OP or other interested parties might write to the editor and request an explanation or if necessary (as it seems likely to be) , a correction. I don't have current issue in front of me, but I seem to recall it having a section for that. Who knows, letting them know they are making obvious mistakes may actually help them improve the magazine.
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I have already emailed the Editor of Blade about that incorrect statement. If/when I hear back I'll share it here.
 
I find it very hard to believe that the author ever actually handled the knife in the first place. Even someone who has never seen a knife before would know the difference between a spring loaded blade or not. Surely a person who's actually touched/opened the knife would know that or at the very least be able to figure it out.
 
You'd certainly think so . . . at least when you closed them.

Fascinatinger and fascinatinger . . .
 
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