$0.50 shop tip...

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This is a $0.50 shop tip, so you all owe me a nickel. :eek: ;)

A lot of people have asked me about the way I have been crowning the face of my guards lately. Since I'm such a hell of a nice guy, I decided to share how I do it. ;)

Of course there are probably 500 ways to do this, but this is 1 of them, and it works... for me. :)

Here's my starting point. A damascus fighter that has been taken to the point that the 416 guard stock has been fit up. The yellow paper pattern is what I drew up before I started anything. You can see the crown to the guard face in the pattern.

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I start with it fit up nice and tight... just like I try to do with any other guard that leaves my shop.
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Drive the guard back off. *side-note, we do not support pencil neck tangs in this shop* ;)

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Once taken off, the guard stock is painted with Dykem and some lay-out lines are started with the granite surface plate and height gauge.

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Here's a close-up showing the marks I just made with the height gauge. The front one is a little lower than the back one. AFAIK, there is no mathematical formula to determine where these marks should go. I use the, "I want them here," method. ;)

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Drive the guard back on, then put the knife in the vise.
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I use a brass scribe and mini-square to mark the width of the ricasso across the guard face.
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Then I use a tungsten scribe to mark the outer edges (this area will be ground away later on, so deep scribe marks are fine).
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Close-up of what we get with the previous step. The brass lines are almost invisible in the photo, but you can see them fine in hand.
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Now we play connect the dots... (or tick marks) :) I have been using this high tech material to make simple patterns for about 3 months. What is it called again? Um.... Oh yea, now I remember. Milk jug plastic. ;) :D It works GREAT. You can scribe it, cut it with scissors or an Xacto knife, it conforms to curves, and it's thick enough to support scribing a line.... and it's pretty cheap. :cool:
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Whatta hell of a guy! Joke aside, good stuff Nick! I absolutely love tips that make life easier! :thumbup:
 
Close-up of the scribed crown-
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This is another spot where having squared the 416 up comes in handy. Just take the guard over to the grinder, and with the tool rest square to the platen, knock the corners down using a 60X belt.
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Don't go all the way to the ricasso lines at this point though!!! I repeat the above step with a worn 120X ceramic belt, but still stop shy of the ricasso lines.
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Now we move to the 9" disc with 320X paper-
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And take the crown JUST TO the lines-
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Then feather them into the ricasso width with a 600X disc-
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Time to hand sand the crowned face. A "blade grinding magnet" comes in very handy for holding it. I start with Rhynowet 500X.
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I have only been using Rhynowet for over a year, but I recently realized that I had some very expensive Norton Black Ice in the shop... so I've been using it. This was 600X.
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Here's the crowned face, hand sanded to a nice and clean 800X.
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Now we drive the guard back onto the blade and check to see if we f'd up the fit.... Luckily it is still just like I want it. If you do crown the face a little too much and get some "shadow" spots at the corner of the guard shoulders, and your guard material is softer than your blade material... you can drive it on hard enough to get it up where it needs to be.
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I thought your guards came "pre-curved" with the kit knives you buy and assemble. :D :foot:
Just kidding, thanks for sharing Nick!
 
I'll throw in an extra 50 cent tip. So now you all owe me like $5! :p

Next we can lay-out some lines as a reference for how wide the handle side of the guard will be. IMHO, a knife should be the same width (or pretty darn close) from the front end of the handle--- over to the ricasso. IMO, knives look funny when this isn't the case.

Since I have a guard with square sides, and a lot of material to remove... why not knock a bunch of it off with the bandsaw? I lay the blade on a 1-2-3 block (spine down) and mark the top and bottom of the ricasso on the guard stock.
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Then I drive the guard off, go back to the granite+height gauge, and throw some reference lines on there for the guard lugs... and it looks something like this-
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We can take it over to the bandsaw, and lop off some of that excess 416 (try NOT to lop off any fingers!!!). 25 cent safety tip here. If you are cutting something that is taller than it is wide, your chances of tipping it sideways, then shoving your hand right into the blade are roughly 72.98435% greater than otherwise. So you can use a 1-2-3 block to help support the stock and make this step MUCH safer. ***** (and just for the record, there is usually some smart-ass-ed-ness to many of my posts :foot:..... but I did slip on a bandsaw once, even with a push-stick. Not only did I cut the end of my ring finger right down into the tip of the bone, I also got the cut full of little metal chips and cutting lubricant in the process---- this is NOT something you want to experience!!! :( ).
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Since we still have that 60X belt on the grinder with the tool rest set-up nice and square, we can go over and grind the lugs in closer to what we want them to be when finished out. I didn't take pictures of doing that, because it looked just the same as when we knocked the corners off the top.... but different. ;)

And here is the guard driven back on the blade, with the finished, crowned face, and the roughed in lugs.
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Close-up of the same-
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That's all folks... thanks for watching. I'll keep an eye out for those wooden nickels to start coming in the mail.... :p :D
 
Thanks Nick, every tip helps (now if I could remember everyone that Ive read ....).
 
Ah Ha! I see a flaw!

.. oh wait, that's just dirt on my monitor. never mind...
 
Really appreciate the tips and clear explanations. You're a bad man Nick!
 
I just looked at the pics in series.... man, looks like it's time for a manicure... ;) LMFAO
 
Ok, who is going to start the collection to get Nick the 5.25 (5 for the 2, .50 cent tips -screw math :p- and .25 cents for the safety tip) that we owe him?

Nick, what is you opinion of the black ice now that you have used it again?
 
Maybe the local Mani/Pedi place takes wooden nickels. Spa Day with the ladies!
Thanks, Nick, always fun to see how you work things out.
Andy
 
Just the kind of tutorial I needed to see, I'm about to start attempting bowie style blades - so by extention that same style of guard, too. I almost feel like mailing you a couple of real nickels for making it so thorough and for all the photos (I'm a visual learner).
 
Wow, if this is worth 50 cents, I have 50$ here for the rest of your secrets. ;)

Thanks for sharing and in such details for slow folks like me. :thumbup:
 
Excellent tips Nick! As for that manicure...as long as its only a little extra GOJO!
 
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