0560 CBCF available at an online retailer

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Jestersinthemoon

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Someone probably posted this already, but there is an online retailer that I got an In Stock notification from this morning.

0560 CBCF -- $425 ..............more than these sold for elsewhere, but a helluva lot cheaper than you'll get them for on the forums or ebay.

Sorry if this is a duplicate of someone else's post.

For those artists looking for one, good luck.

WH
 
Saw it a couple minutes ago and wanted to give a heads up as well. You can find them at knifeart.
 
Amazing . . . a ZT based on a Hinderer XM design that costs more than the list price for a genuine Hinderer XM-18. :eek: If that isn't a testament to the effect of secondary market prices on merchandising, I don't know what is! But I, for one, would no more pay $425.00 for a ZT based on an XM design than I would $800.00 for the real thing. So I'm going to pass.
 
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bld522 said:
Amazing . . . a ZT based on a Hinderer XM design that costs more than the list price for a genuine Hinderer XM-18. :eek: If that isn't a testament to the effect of secondary market prices on merchandising, I don't know what is! But I, for one, would no more pay $425.00 for a ZT based on an XM design than I would $800.00 for the real thing. So I'm going to pass.
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I have to agree. Ill be saving that money for a 0600, or something similar......................
 
bld522 said:
Amazing . . . a ZT based on a Hinderer XM design that costs more than the list price for a genuine Hinderer XM-18. :eek: If that isn't a testament to the effect of secondary market prices on merchandising, I don't know what is!
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Ok, it's time for a reality check. BLD522, please don't take this as a personal attack - I just think that we all could use a little perspective from an insider.

1. Unless you're LEO/FIRE/EMS/Military or travel to a knife show, you're not likely to buy an XM-18 for the $385 MSRP. Secondary market for a G-10 handled XM is generally $500 and up. Hell, we should be thanking Rick for keeping his price the same for this long - he could easily get more money for an XM.

2. $425 is our MSRP for the 0560CBCF. Most dealers don't charge full MSRP, but it's not what I would consider gouging. It's not uncommon to see a limited edition piece go for MSRP. If dealers offer better pricing, that's awesome - as a buyer, I love it. But it can't always be the expectation.

3. In addition, the XM-18 comparison doesn't work because this is not a standard issue 0560. If you add a Carbon Fiber scale to an XM-18, the price goes up $100. Rick doesn't generally do special run steels, but what do you think adding an S110V blade to an XM-18 would do to the price?

4. Now look at the MSRP of a standard 0560 versus the 0560 CBCF - $325 for the standard and $425 for the CBCF. That's only a $100 upcharge.

5. And what do you get for that $100?
- A carbon fiber scale with smooth texture - 10 times more material cost, three times the machining time for a standard 0560 scale, and a material that eats carbide cutters for breakfast.
- A smooth Titanium scale that takes three times as long to machine as the standard textured 0560 scale.
- A composite blade with S110V cutting edge and cool patterned look. More cost, more parts, and more trouble to make than a solid Elmax blade.

The price of this product went up because it costs more to make it. And it didn't go up enough either. Even at MSRP, this knife is not a bad deal.


- Jim
 
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I hear you, Jim. I'm just used to seeing ZTs sell for MAP or better, not MSRP.
 
bld522 said:
Amazing . . . a ZT based on a Hinderer XM design that costs more than the list price for a genuine Hinderer XM-18. :eek: If that isn't a testament to the effect of secondary market prices on merchandising, I don't know what is! But I, for one, would no more pay $425.00 for a ZT based on an XM design than I would $800.00 for the real thing. So I'm going to pass.
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Since when was a ZT 056X considered a fake hinderer?
 
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I have to agree. Ill be saving that money for a 0600, or something similar......................
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So the RJ Martin designed 0600 gets a pass, and a Hinderer designed 056X doesn't? Not only doesn't the logic not make any sense at all, the premise seems off. I don't think anything that ZT is doing with their collaborations undermines the designers' work, nor does it mean anything other than a great collaboration. Additionally the service, quality, etc warrants the prices they charge and then some.
 
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Did somebody call a ZT056X a fake Hinderer? I must have missed that.
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Maybe I misunderstood from below.

bld522 said:
Amazing . . . a ZT based on a Hinderer XM design that costs more than the list price for a genuine Hinderer XM-18. :eek: If that isn't a testament to the effect of secondary market prices on merchandising, I don't know what is! But I, for one, would no more pay $425.00 for a ZT based on an XM design than I would $800.00 for the real thing. So I'm going to pass.
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Yes, you misunderstood.

Now that that's cleared up, I don't think anyone is questioning ZT's quality. I think some of us are simply questioning the price the 0560 CBCF is selling for.
 
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Maybe I shouldn't have fueled this fire. I think BLD522 was simply saying that the XM-18 is the original, and that the 0560 is a derivative work by the same designer (Rick Hinderer).

While I believe the 0560 stands on it's own as a relevant, high-quality product, some people who own an 0560 may aspire to own an XM-18 as well someday. I hope they buy both - they're both worth it.


Then, I simply stated that the XM-18 and the 0560CBCF don't make an apples to apples comparison, and that the 0560CBCF is still a bargain when you consider the true value added.
 
Everyone just needs to relax and take a moment to realize the only reason we are so twisted up about this is because this knife is amazing.
 
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While I believe the 0560 stands on it's own as a relevant, high-quality product, some people who own an 0560 may aspire to own an XM-18 as well someday. I hope they buy both - they're both worth it.
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This much I can tell you, Jim. If I could buy a Hinderer XM at factory pricing, I'd be on it like white on rice. I'd even be willing to sign an agreement saying I'd never sell it. But neither of those things is going to happen.

As an aside, what I'd really like to see ZT produce is a derivative of the 3" Hinderer XM-18. Unfortunately, the 0566 isn't even going to be in the same ballpark. And yes, if you manufacture that I'll pay full pop for it!
 
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Ok, it's time for a reality check. BLD522, please don't take this as a personal attack - I just think that we all could use a little perspective from an insider.

1. Unless you're LEO/FIRE/EMS/Military or travel to a knife show, you're not likely to buy an XM-18 for the $385 MSRP. Secondary market for a G-10 handled XM is generally $500 and up. Hell, we should be thanking Rick for keeping his price the same for this long - he could easily get more money for an XM.

2. $425 is our MSRP for the 0560CBCF. Most dealers don't charge full MSRP, but it's not what I would consider gouging. It's not uncommon to see a limited edition piece go for MSRP. If dealers offer better pricing, that's awesome - as a buyer, I love it. But it can't always be the expectation.

3. In addition, the XM-18 comparison doesn't work because this is not a standard issue 0560. If you add a Carbon Fiber scale to an XM-18, the price goes up $100. Rick doesn't generally do special run steels, but what do you think adding an S110V blade to an XM-18 would do to the price?

4. Now look at the MSRP of a standard 0560 versus the 0560 CBCF - $325 for the standard and $425 for the CBCF. That's only a $100 upcharge.

5. And what do you get for that $100?
- A carbon fiber scale with smooth texture - 10 times more material cost, three times the machining time for a standard 0560 scale, and a material that eats carbide cutters for breakfast.
- A smooth Titanium scale that takes three times as long to machine as the standard textured 0560 scale.
- A composite blade with S110V cutting edge and cool patterned look. More cost, more parts, and more trouble to make than a solid Elmax blade.

The price of this product went up because it costs more to make it. And it didn't go up enough either. Even at MSRP, this knife is not a bad deal.


- Jim
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Well said.
 
You got that right!!! (You've also got a good memory. ;) ) Of course, ZT would have to step WAY outside their comfort zone to accomplish that. But they'd have my eternal gratitude if they did, to say nothing of cutting some bad guys off at the pass.
 
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