10 Ga shotguns

It seems like we have a mixed bag of answers here . All I want is a shotgun that will shoot the farthest and hit the hardest for geese and ducks . This isn,t a question of me wanting the biggest gun .

All the opinions put forth make sense from their perspective .

I wouldn,t mind trying a mountain howitzer for geese . I could say I was seeding clouds . L:O:L
 
Kevin, if I were hunting Geese, I'd look at a 10 gauge and at the 3 1/2 12 ga.

Don't let a thread of opinion bother you.


munk
 
Kevin the grey said:
I wouldn,t mind trying a mountain howitzer for geese .

I was thinking about tracer rounds in a 30/06 for those buggers, but did some checking and the Game Wardens around here have already thought about it and made it illegal.

Just last week a guy was "cleaning house" wanted to sell me a double-barrel 10-gauge. That thing looked way beyond cool, but it was extremely heavy. As others have said, all that weight has got to soak up alot of the recoil.
 
I once read an article in some gun mangazine that made the case for 16 gauge.
Basically, they said that the 16 gauge was a much better choice for combat and hunting with slugs. Less kick, higher capacity, lighter weight weapon, faster action for the mechanism, and yet 80% of the power and lethality of a 12 gauge. the 12 gauge wasnt designed for combat, I think he said, it was designed for shooting birds at a distance.
At 4 to 7 meters, the combat range, the spread between almost all buckshot loads are about the same anyway.

If memory serves, there was a Browning 16 gauge autoloader way back when, but the round never got popular. I'd like to have a 16 gauge Remington 1100.
OR maybe one of Satori's AKs in 16 gauge..

http://www.16ga.com/home.html
 
cliff355 said:
Just last week a guy was "cleaning house" wanted to sell me a double-barrel 10-gauge. That thing looked way beyond cool, but it was extremely heavy. As others have said, all that weight has got to soak up alot of the recoil.

I think that if the added weight was horizontal to the pull of gravity then it would tend to take more force to move it . To me as you raise the arm towards the vertical as in goose hunting you would not only negate the benefit you would add weight to the recoil .

What do you think ?
 
That's not how it works, Kevin. Weight is weight, and always beneficial in absorbing recoil- though it can be distributed differently to more or less effect. The stock design determines somewhat how the recoil is delivered. Goose guns are meant to be heavy and swing steady. If you are sitting in a blind, a good heavy gun is a benefit.


munk
 
My grandfather has always been a fan of 16ga and 410. He says the 16 is just perfect for him, or at least it was when he actually shot the thing. He's about 5'6 (on a tall day) and maybe 120lbs. .20ga's are "girl guns" to him although he did hunt with one during the depression as a kid, and 12's are a bit of overkill for his small frame.
My grandparents live in a part of town that is not bad persay, but a few blocks over it gets a little run down. They have had their home broken into before while they were out, so Grandpa keeps his trusty ol' single shot 16 loaded up with mag buckshot. if he's pointing it, it's going to hit where he wants it. My grandparents are sweet loons. However, there is a special knock that family members must give if they don't want grandpa opening the door armed:D
I've always like the 12 myself. cheap, easy to shoot, ammo everywhere. I don't hunt, though. My extent of utility with a shotgun is as home defense (never needed it...knock on wood) and executing decorative pumpkins at my parents' house once they got a little mushy in december. The pumpkins, i don't believe, would be any more dead with a 10ga over the 12. However, one day when my grandfather's 16ga and .410 are passed down to me, i might experiment with those....just for fun.

Jake
 
munk said:
That's not how it works, Kevin. Weight is weight, and always beneficial in absorbing recoil- though it can be distributed differently to more or less effect. The stock design determines somewhat how the recoil is delivered. Goose guns are meant to be heavy and swing steady. If you are sitting in a blind, a good heavy gun is a benefit.


munk

I wasn,t sure . I figured if you had ten pounds in front of you it was not pressing on you . If you had ten pounds above you it is at least pressing some of that weight upon you and so adding that weight to the recoil . Perhaps on paper the thrust placed upon the shoulder is the same . I thought if you already had weight pressing upon you the result would be different .
 
Really it's not weight, but inertia. The greater inertia of a heavier gun resists being moved by recoil. If the gun weighed 100 pounds, it might feel heavy enough to hold, but you probably couldn't even feel any recoil at all when fired, regardless of how you hold it.

And, munk is right about stock design and such. Getting a gun to fit you can easily make a much bigger difference in felt/percieved recoil than whether it's a 16, 12, or 10 gauge. Like I said, my sister's 20 gauge is more painful for me to shoot than dad's 10 gauge.

And as far as waterfowling, the 3 1/2" 12 gauge was developed mainly in response to steel shot laws. Because steel shot is less dense than lead, we needed bigger pellets to carry the same distance. And because the pellets were bigger, we couldn't fit as many in a standard hull, which reduced pattern density. But, now we have Hevi-Shot, tungsten, and even newer versions of Hevi-Shot that are more uniform and even heavier than lead. So now I see less of a reason to go with the big shells, when a 3" Hevi-Shot round can basically give you the same performance as a 3 1/2" steel round. Yeah, these shells are extremely expensive, but if you're only talking about firing half a box per year, it ain't too bad. If you want to get serious about waterfowling and are gonna burn a couple hundred rounds every month, then maybe I'd look to the bigger shells with steel shot to save cost.

And of course as you know, your skill will make a far bigger difference in success than slight differences in the gun you're holding. For me, it really don't matter at all whether I go duck hunting with an automatic 10 gauge or a single shot .410. I can miss with 'em all equally!
 
the possum said:
Really it's not weight, but inertia. The greater inertia of a heavier gun resists being moved by recoil. If the gun weighed 100 pounds, it might feel heavy enough to hold, but you probably couldn't even feel any recoil at all when fired, regardless of how you hold it.

I think the only thing I would feel is tired . L:O:L

You know I am not a goose hunter as a preference . I mostly wish to do it to know how and to get their primary flight feathers to make arrows with .
They have a natural waterproofing which far exceeds that of turkeys .

Also dyed turkey feathers have had their natural oils stripped away to help the dye set in them . I do use some wild turkey feathers and some of the colors are spectacular . There is one called a bourbonne (bourbon) which has a very nice reddish brown color .
 
Kevin the grey said:
You know I am not a goose hunter as a preference .

Me either, and that goes for waterfowl in general. Last year I drove to work in a blinding snowstorm and pulled into a gas station for more washer fluid. There some camoed-up guys at the cash register buying coffee - they had their jonboat hooked up outside and were heading out to their duck blind. It occured to me that you must have a real cold-blooded hatred for ducks to go out and kill them on a day like that. Also, after all that perserverance you can only shoot three of them per day.
 
Kevin the grey said:
You know I am not a goose hunter as a preference . .
Neither am I. Duck and goose are too rich (probably fat content) for me to enjoy. Second, I try to eat what I hunt. Ergo, I have never pulled a trigger at waterfowl. That leaves my 12's for Slugs and Buckshot. In W.Va, we use rifles for deer....greatly my preference!
 
there is a reason 10s are cheap!I know more 12s who seem to kill everything they are aimed at reguardless of distance.
 
I'm not at all a duck or goose hunter, although I'd like to try some day.

I'd still love to have a ten guage though. My thoughts are to get a 10ga. double barrel, saw it down to 22'' or so, and fill it with 0 buckshot. that oughta cut any critter that enters the family safe area in half!:D

Even better would be if they ever made 10 ga. slugs. Be one helluva cabin gun....

Since Blackpowders aren't considered firearms, I wonder if I could get a 10ga. blackpowder, give it the ole Mad Max treatment and replace my J-frame with it as a regular carry gun?:D :D :D

(For the purposes of clarification, I'm speaking about 80% in jest)
 
I'd still love to have a ten guage though. My thoughts are to get a 10ga. double barrel, saw it down to 22'' or so, and fill it with 0 buckshot. that oughta cut any critter that enters the family safe area in half!:D

(For the purposes of clarification, I'm speaking about 80% in jest)

Once you cut the muzzle back past the chokes (reducing muzzle mass) I personally will stand at the head of the line with a $10 bill, just to watch the muzzles rip themselves out of your fore hand, and the matted rib put the mother of all grooves right up your forehead. I'll even bring a small, clean white towel to staunch the blood until we can get you some stitches :D :D :D Most emergency room admissions in the south are preceded by the words "Watch iss!"
 
do ya' dare me?! huh?! huh?! ya' dare me I'll do it! how much yoo wanna bet??!!


awright guys, here we go! watchiss!! (ad lib maniacal cackling and an earth shaking "KABOOM!!")

Nope. Never done that kinda thing before.....:o :o

Probly go over about like this: http://www.stephenbodio.com/Recoil_1.wmv ( warning: video comes complete with a wirdy dird or two)

guy had a 600 Nitro Express bbl. made for his Contender...
 
Muzzle Velocity: 1280 fps
Muzzle Energy: 2786 ft lbs


Federal Power-Shok Ammunition 10 Gauge 3-1/2" 1-3/4 oz Hollow Point Slug Box of 5

Federal Power-Shok is hard-hitting ammunition designed for exceptional performance in the field.
 
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