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$100-200 knife with bearings?

So, now it's between the Southard and the ZT 0801. Hmm.

You get the best steel of the lot in the Southard: CTS-204P. You also get an ugly brown G-10 scale. You could spring for scales but that adds about $100. Alternatively, wait for the black Southard which should be out soon.

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Cereal_killer said:

You could simply dye the brown scale black (you could also do a dark red/maroon or navy/midnight blue).



How do you dye g10?
Scratch that, I just Googled it :P
 
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It's not so much that it isn't enough sharp stuff, it's that it isn't enough sharp stuff for a knife that takes up about 1.5x to 2x the pocket space (it feels like double, but I suppose 1.5x by volume is closer) that the Southard does. I mean, the Bionic is a quarter the size in the pocket, and has the same (actually, slightly more) sharp stuff, compared to the Domino. The Southard is a similar length handle, and much smaller in the pocket, and quite comfortable (albeit I do have custom scales) and has a whole lot more sharp stuff:

I disagree. I'd much rather have a more comfortable handle than an extra 1/2" of blade. The Domino feels great in hand in the normal position or using the forward grip. It has plenty of edge for just about any EDC task. It has carbon fiber, steel insert in a titanium RIL, captive ball bearings, the ability to be opened via the Spyderhole or smooth and easy flipper action, CTS-XHP steel, and 4 way pocket clip positioning. It's a fantastic knife and I've seen it on sale as low as $150, with average price in the $180 range.

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The knives aren't all lined up very well, but hopefully the picture illustrates my point about handle sizes and blade lengths. As an example, the ZT 0350 has a large blade for the handle. The problem is that the handle is too short to be comfortable. It's simply not comfortable the way it's designed, even though the handle is about the same size as the Domino's. I rarely carry mine because the handle is simply too short. It needs to be 1/2" longer to fit my hand comfortably. The Spyderco knives in the picture all fit my hand great. They're designed to be comfortable in hand.

To put things into perspective, I don't need a huge blade. I don't care if the blade is 2.5", 3", 3.5" or whatever. I EDC'd a Spyderco ladybug for a while so I really don't mind extra small knives either. If they're sharp they'll cut. I really don't see what an extra 1/4"-1/2" of blade is going to do or how it's going to make any real difference. I'm much more concerned with how comfortable a knife is to hold and use.

The Southard is praised as being a great knife. I don't own one as the design doesn't appeal to me. It's certainly one I would consider if I were looking for a knife like that. In the same vein I haven't held the ZT 801 so this isn't a dig against that knife either. My point is that having an extra 1/4" blade isn't going to make a meaningful difference in any normal real life task.
 
The knives aren't all lined up very well, but hopefully the picture illustrates my point about handle sizes and blade lengths. As an example, the ZT 0350 has a large blade for the handle. The problem is that the handle is too short to be comfortable. It's simply not comfortable the way it's designed, even though the handle is about the same size as the Domino's. I rarely carry mine because the handle is simply too short. It needs to be 1/2" longer to fit my hand comfortably. The Spyderco knives in the picture all fit my hand great. They're designed to be comfortable in hand.

To put things into perspective, I don't need a huge blade. I don't care if the blade is 2.5", 3", 3.5" or whatever. I EDC'd a Spyderco ladybug for a while so I really don't mind extra small knives either. If they're sharp they'll cut. I really don't see what an extra 1/4"-1/2" of blade is going to do or how it's going to make any real difference. I'm much more concerned with how comfortable a knife is to hold and use.

The Southard is praised as being a great knife. I don't own one as the design doesn't appeal to me. It's certainly one I would consider if I were looking for a knife like that. In the same vein I haven't held the ZT 801 so this isn't a dig against that knife either. My point is that having an extra 1/4" blade isn't going to make a meaningful difference in any normal real life task.

Lol, because I'm not interested in how comfortable a knife is to hold and use? Thanks, that's a nice backhanded shot.

Different strokes for different folks, but I own and have carried all the knives I compared earlier (Southard, 0801, Domino, Bionic). I'm not sure why you're so defensive of your purchase--I love Spyderco. I have a pile of them, including every Spyderco in your photo.

That said, to me, the Domino is a terrible design. It's so wide that it feels big in the pocket, noticeably much larger than the Southard. Speaking of the Southard, have you tried using one? I've used mine quite a lot, for all sorts of cutting tasks, and it actually has a pretty comfortable handle. The fact that it gives you the better part of an inch more edge is just a bonus . . .

Feel free to draw your own conclusions, but I carry a Southard almost every day, I bought a Domino right when they came out, and I've tried to love it. Then I tried to like it. Now I just stare at it in confusion occasionally, like why is that basically brand new knife you're never actually going to carry still sitting in this drawer?

To me, the picture as usual tells a thousand words worth of story:

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I think domino is back in the mix. When I saw it at a gun show recently, it really appealed to me. I like the looks of the domino better, but I like the steel of the Southard. I'm not sure about the 0801, honestly. I've got a knife on elmax already, so it's no new exciting steel experience, but if I like how it feels, it'll be a contender.
 
I think domino is back in the mix. When I saw it at a gun show recently, it really appealed to me. I like the looks of the domino better, but I like the steel of the Southard. I'm not sure about the 0801, honestly. I've got a knife on elmax already, so it's no new exciting steel experience, but if I like how it feels, it'll be a contender.

CTS-XHP is an awesome steel, it won't disappoint you.
 
Great suggestions so far but im going to throw a curveball in the mix.

If you can forgo the flipper perhaps a Microtech Socom Elite. Its a big knife that carries well and light. Comes in a variety of steels and a few blade shapes. I had both a Socom and a 561 and thought the Socom took the slight edge in smoothness. Ive seen used ones under $200.

Ps. I didnt have them at the same time so no real comparison was made. Both were wicked smooth though.
 
I was able to handle one in a local knife shop and I was sold. He wanted over 300 for it so I didn't buy it, I did find one on the exchange for 200. Hopefully be here by the end of the week :thumbup:


Wow, thats5 the first spyderco I've really been interested in. too bad the blade isn't longer
 
Wow, thats5 the first spyderco I've really been interested in. too bad the blade doesnt have a tip-to-handle cutting edge

Fixed that for you. My only complaint about the domino is that the handle is long enough to get a full grip on by its self, there's really no need for the choil so I'd rather have more cutting edge.
 
Do any knives fall in this list, that have bearings, and spring assist, both?
 
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Do any knives fall in this list, that have bearings, and spring assist, both?

Bearings and a spring isn't a great idea. The bearings give the knife a practically frictionless opening (properly made bearings of course), so the spring assist would make the knife rocket open. It sounds like a good way to make an unintentional throwing knife and break the blade stop.

I have handled a few bearing knives. None of them weren't almost completely effortless to open. Keep the spring assist on washers, trust me.
 
Ok big question. I have only read good things about bearing knives. What if any are the downside to bearing pivot knives?
 
Ok big question. I have only read good things about bearing knives. What if any are the downside to bearing pivot knives?
The smoothness is addictive and can ruin knives without bearings for you. They do tend to show more effect from grit, though. If the bearings are captive a cleaning shouldn't take more than 5 minutes, but it could be a whole lot longer for loose bearings because, like I said, they just look for the chance to break free and run away onto the floor and be lost forever.
 
Walmart used to sell a ball bearing 35' tape measure where you could see the inner workings. Do any knives have the guts visible?

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Walmart used to sell a ball bearing 35' tape measure where you could see the inner workings. Do any knives have the guts visible?

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A few knives like the Spyderco Leafstorm, Spyderco Manix 2 Lightweight (blue), and Kershaw Echelon have transparent handles. Many knives used opaque G10, steel, or titanium which cover up all of the inner workings.

To my knowledge, there isn't a knife with bearings (don't try to get all technical and say the Manix, it has a bearing... just one) and transparent handles.
 
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