112 BCCI Take apart Canceled..

I was just saying let the BCCI get the first aluminum frame regular,not take apart, 112. Since the 110 aluminum frame "Did not take off" I don't expect Buck to gamble on a take apart version of the 112 but I do hope we see a aluminum frame 112. I imagine Buck really tried to make it but problems came up in the development so that it didn't make economic sense to keep the project moving forward..
 
I’ll agree that the take apart construction doesn’t really add that much. If anything I think it takes away because a solid pin is much stronger than a screw setup the same size. I wasn’t that interested in it mainly because it was ordinary 420hc and I already have a 112 in s30v and one in S35vn that I would use before grabbing a 420hc. I don’t know how it would work if the custom shop had an aluminum frame choice but I’d give it a shot if the upgrade steel blade and handle materials were offered.
 
bucksway said:
I was just saying let the BCCI get the first aluminum frame regular,not take apart, 112. Since the 110 aluminum frame "Did not take off" I don't expect Buck to gamble on a take apart version of the 112 but I do hope we see a aluminum frame 112. I imagine Buck really tried to make it but problems came up in the development so that it didn't make economic sense to keep the project moving forward..
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Sounds good to me
 
Lesknife said:
I’ll agree that the take apart construction doesn’t really add that much. If anything I think it takes away because a solid pin is much stronger than a screw setup the same size. I wasn’t that interested in it mainly because it was ordinary 420hc and I already have a 112 in s30v and one in S35vn that I would use before grabbing a 420hc. I don’t know how it would work if the custom shop had an aluminum frame choice but I’d give it a shot if the upgrade steel blade and handle materials were offered.
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That solid pivot pin is much smaller in diameter than that of the T-Nut used as a pivot in the take apart knife. See photo 4 in post 12.
It is also easy to put a loose 112 blade in a take apart 112. The trick is finding the loose blade.
 
Makael said:
The alum 110 never took off as planned. I'm guessing that since the 112 has never sold as well as Its big brother that an alum version will be less popular. Buck has to think in how many thousands will sell not a few dozen.

We should take a poll on how many here own one.
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I bet most dont even know an aluminum frame was made.
 
st8yd said:
I bet most dont even know an aluminum frame was made.
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I agree with you.
Too bad because they are great knives.
I'm not sure I'd go for an aluminum frame 112 over the 112 slim pro tho, and maybe that's their beliefs in canceling it.
Maybe if I had a chance to get my hands on one first. That's what I don't like about buying online, and so few places carry these things so online buying is your only choice.
 
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pinnah said:
The aluminum 110 is by far my favorite Buck ever and the knife I carry 99% of the time for the past several years.

But I can understand why it didn't "take off".

I sew a seam up the middle of my right rear pocket on all my pants and carry my 110 vertically there. It's an idea that camping guru Cliff Jacobsen described in some of his camping books and I think it's the best way to carry a large traditional folder. I could go on about it for hours and the aluminum 110 is much nicer to carry this way than a brass or nickel one. But honestly, me and 7 other people in the country carry their knives this way and make up, what?, maybe 0.0003% of Buck's customer base.

The bulk of Buck 110 buyers still carry in a belt holster because the 110 is a brass brick and that's what you gotta do to carry it. And my hunch is that once you commit to holster carry, the weight reduction of the aluminum 110 is less of a bonus.

Problem with holster carry is that I'm in my late 50s and probably among the youngest people here who think that holster carry is a thing. Most folks under 50 (my guess, young members of biker gangs excepted) won't even think about holster carry unless it's a big multitool. This is why I think it's been so critical that Buck move to a Slim with a pocket clip. The vast majority of their potential market moving forward is going to demand clips. Personally, I think the kids are badly wrong and that rear pocket carry is superior in every possible way but I'm becoming and old crank and gadfly and like I said, only 7 other people agree with me.

I see a regular thickness aluminum 112 as not answering any problems. IME, any knife that thick is too bulky for front pocket carry, regardless of weight. IMO, if you want a traditional folder to carry well in your front pocket, it should be relatively thin.

I can carry the 500 Duke in my front pocket very comfortably. The 112, not so. It's the thickness, not the weight.

IMO, if Buck wanted to do something outstanding with the 112, they would make a traditional slim version, same exact thickness as the 500. I think the folks in the Traditional forum would drop their GECs on the floor for something like that. Just a hunch.
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pinnah said:
The aluminum 110 is by far my favorite Buck ever and the knife I carry 99% of the time for the past several years.

But I can understand why it didn't "take off".

I sew a seam up the middle of my right rear pocket on all my pants and carry my 110 vertically there. It's an idea that camping guru Cliff Jacobsen described in some of his camping books and I think it's the best way to carry a large traditional folder. I could go on about it for hours and the aluminum 110 is much nicer to carry this way than a brass or nickel one. But honestly, me and 7 other people in the country carry their knives this way and make up, what?, maybe 0.0003% of Buck's customer base.

The bulk of Buck 110 buyers still carry in a belt holster because the 110 is a brass brick and that's what you gotta do to carry it. And my hunch is that once you commit to holster carry, the weight reduction of the aluminum 110 is less of a bonus.

Problem with holster carry is that I'm in my late 50s and probably among the youngest people here who think that holster carry is a thing. Most folks under 50 (my guess, young members of biker gangs excepted) won't even think about holster carry unless it's a big multitool. This is why I think it's been so critical that Buck move to a Slim with a pocket clip. The vast majority of their potential market moving forward is going to demand clips. Personally, I think the kids are badly wrong and that rear pocket carry is superior in every possible way but I'm becoming and old crank and gadfly and like I said, only 7 other people agree with me.

I see a regular thickness aluminum 112 as not answering any problems. IME, any knife that thick is too bulky for front pocket carry, regardless of weight. IMO, if you want a traditional folder to carry well in your front pocket, it should be relatively thin.

I can carry the 500 Duke in my front pocket very comfortably. The 112, not so. It's the thickness, not the weight.

IMO, if Buck wanted to do something outstanding with the 112, they would make a traditional slim version, same exact thickness as the 500. I think the folks in the Traditional forum would drop their GECs on the floor for something like that. Just a hunch.
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I have carried a modified 111 in my right front pocket and also in the placket of my shirt. This knife is narrower than the Aluminum 110. It is also lighter 3.9 oz vs 4.4 oz. The big advantage of the take apart knife is the ability to swap out blades including all 10 old Selector blades.
 
Well..if you like the odd ones like I do it doesn't get much better than a aluminum frame take apart. If Buck offered a variety of extra blades, including super steels, on there Website (maybe in the Custom shop?) the popularity of the 110 version would 'take off'..
 
Makael said:
I suppose a brick and mortar sale approach would add more sales also instead of web order only.
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Only if they live close to the factory, like you do.
I live in south central Idaho, but it is near a 560 - 570 mile trip each way to Post Falls and back for me.
Even if I had an economical vehicle, that be a mighty long drive for a knife.
The Internet, on the other hand, gives them access to customers world-wide.
 
afishhunter said:
Only if they live close to the factory, like you do.
I live in south central Idaho, but it is near a 560 - 570 mile trip each way to Post Falls and back for me.
Even if I had an economical vehicle, that be a mighty long drive for a knife.
The Internet, on the other hand, gives them access to customers world-wide.
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I meant if this knife was on the shelf at a retail store, sporting goods store it would have quite a bit of exposure. DLT, Etc are bigger well known knife retailers also.
 
afishhunter said:
Only if they live close to the factory, like you do.
I live in south central Idaho, but it is near a 560 - 570 mile trip each way to Post Falls and back for me.
Even if I had an economical vehicle, that be a mighty long drive for a knife.
The Internet, on the other hand, gives them access to customers world-wide.
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ya saying ya wont ride your bike to the factory for me to hand pick a knife, anymore.:(:p:D
 
On the subject of pinned vs screwed construction, I believe the screwed construction is every bit as strong. The 110 take apart I own are all really stout knives. For me it is nice to have the ability to swap from drop point/clip point and different steels. I have the cpm 154 from sk blades for mine. I truly believe if you could by just the blades for a take apart 110 or 112 it would be an industry first. Which would be amazing
 
Goose 7279 said:
On the subject of pinned vs screwed construction, I believe the screwed construction is every bit as strong. The 110 take apart I own are all really stout knives. For me it is nice to have the ability to swap from drop point/clip point and different steels. I have the cpm 154 from sk blades for mine. I truly believe if you could by just the blades for a take apart 110 or 112 it would be an industry first. Which would be amazing
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they kinda have that already in the selectors, problem is only 420hc in each blade type.

upgraded steels easy to buy and change out in a selector type screw together 110 would be really great though. pretty sure T tiguy7 has modified one of his screw together 110s, maybe was just the blades modified, cant remember exactly....anyways to do selector style blade changes. is very cool setup, maybe he'll share the pics on here again....
 
One thought I just had is why not just a take apart and not the aluminum frame? On the other hand just the aluminum frame?.
 
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jbmonkey said:
they kinda have that already in the selectors, problem is only 420hc in each blade type.

upgraded steels easy to buy and change out in a selector type screw together 110 would be really great though. pretty sure T tiguy7 has modified one of his screw together 110s, maybe was just the blades modified, cant remember exactly....anyways to do selector style blade changes. is very cool setup, maybe he'll share the pics on here again....
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OK JB, You talked me into revealing my sources of loose 110 blades. Sometimes I knock knives apart to scavenge the blades. Here are "knapped" steel, BG-42, Ion Fusion, and A/G S-30-V blades all of which were removed from new factory knives.
 
jbmonkey said:
they kinda have that already in the selectors, problem is only 420hc in each blade type.

upgraded steels easy to buy and change out in a selector type screw together 110 would be really great though. pretty sure T tiguy7 has modified one of his screw together 110s, maybe was just the blades modified, cant remember exactly....anyways to do selector style blade changes. is very cool setup, maybe he'll share the pics on here again....
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The selector blades for the 2.0 are not interchangeable and to you can not find the vintage selector blades easily (or I cant.). The old 428 blades are about 40-50 dollars each too and their was 10 blades or so that's 400-500:eek: bucks. haha get it bucks :cool:. Either way this is about the 112 another awesome knife that needs the take ability to be taken down and the aluminum frame is amazing too. I personally dont care for the dlc as much as I like the polished look or a satin look
 
Well we have seen how the selector series has been and the cost. For those who want that kind of knife that’s okay but why add to another model what already exists and then watch the price go up on the 112 model ? I can’t imagine how much goes into development and testing for new designs and then it’s a guess at how well they will be received and sell. Maybe I’m wrong but it seems to me the 112 model is better as it was designed and leave well enough alone. An aluminum frame might be okay but I can see where the take apart would be more of a challenge and I doubt the associated cost wouldn’t be near as much as the take apart version.
 
Not only the cost of development but for me I can’t see the need for take apart just to change blades. When I’m working or hunting or whatever activities I don’t want to bother with taking a knife apart to change to another blade. I have other knives already to go for that and I would probably loose the extra blades easier than a whole knife.
 
Changing blades is not the only benefit of the take apart knife. It also has interchangeable handle slabs. The ability to clean and oil the innards is also a desirable feature especially on a knife with a closed back. The pivot system on the take apart knife allows the adjustment of the tightness of the blade swing. On the regular 110’s and 112’s the thicknesses of the blade and its pivot bushing must be carefully sized relative to each other to ensure the proper action. There is no adjustment.
 
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