13 year old becomes father

Well, as far as biology and evolution is concerned, a 13 year old is able to father a child. This much has been proven.
Your original post asked why evryone was up in arms about it..yes?
This is due to the socio-economic issues.
Your quesion has been answered. As a few people have stated,"Just because you can, does not mean you should"
Something like King Henry VIII turning England upside down by changing the Church just so that he could divorce his wife and marry that tart, Anne Boleyn.
He could and did, but he should not have because this caused the rest of Europe to rise against England and caused many depressions and wars.
Consequences.
The same as with this child fathering this baby. There will be negative consequences.

The biological argument is pointless. that is like reducing humans to the level of beasts.
I know there are some pretty sick people out there. Pedophiles, serial killers, rapists, bankers etc. and there are ways of dealing with these individuals (who have made beasts of themselves)
But this cannot apply to the rest of us.
 
My original suggestion was that "our standards for everything need some serious revising."

Take sexual harassment, for example. Of course, and this goes without saying, that using a position of power to coerce someone into doing something sexual is a crime and a tort and ought to be dealt with as such.
These days, people have become so overly sensitive to the issue (and do not actually understand what constitutes "harassment) that you can be fired for glancing at a woman's breasts if she feels somehow "offended" by it.
We ARE animals, human animals. I am not saying we don't have souls, and all that, but these bodies of ours are mammalian, not fluffy clouds of ether.
Men are hard-wired to look at boobs.
The pendulum swings both ways, however.
When you ask for too much, you may end up losing everything.
 
I think it's certainly reasonable that we need to revise some of our oversensitivities, like what defines sexual harassment. I know that I, for one, feel a little bit shafted being a "white" male in modern America. But does that mean every value needs to be re-examined?
I think that waiting is good for other reasons. The older a person becomes, the more insight and "life lessons" they tend to have, which would help in raising a child, for example.
 
DannyinJapan said:
My original suggestion was that "our standards for everything need some serious revising."

Take sexual harassment, for example. Of course, and this goes without saying, that using a position of power to coerce someone into doing something sexual is a crime and a tort and ought to be dealt with as such.
These days, people have become so overly sensitive to the issue (and do not actually understand what constitutes "harassment) that you can be fired for glancing at a woman's breasts if she feels somehow "offended" by it.
We ARE animals, human animals. I am not saying we don't have souls, and all that, but these bodies of ours are mammalian, not fluffy clouds of ether.
Men are hard-wired to look at boobs.
The pendulum swings both ways, however.
When you ask for too much, you may end up losing everything.
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Ah! But here we have a different topic altogether. Political correctness and the feminist movement.
Hmmm...2 great evils in the world of ours.
Danny, you'll need to start a new thread for this. This requires ALOT of fair comment
 
i think there's a logical fallacy at play here. argumentum ad antiquitatem. Something that used to be acceptable can be unacceptable now. I don't think people should be procreating in their teens in today's society, just like we should not be practicing animism or doing anything else that was common in primitive times. It's called progress. We humans are no longer evolving physically, but our evolution is social in nature, and we have come a long way.
 
DannyinJapan said:
It seems odd to me that his is a piece of news. Somehow, I get the idea that most people don't realize that, biologically, we are SUPPOSED to become fathers at that age.
We live far longer and slower than we are supposed to these days. The human body keeps growing until 18, but it reaches sexual maturity somewhere around 14 yoa. There's a reason for that.
If your expected lifespan is 30, (and it was), then you must have a child when you are still young enough to live long enough to raise it to maturity so that he can have a child and keep the cycle going. Half of 30 is 15. 14 is even better.

I am beginning to think that our standards for everything need some serious revising.
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Really good thoughts, Danny:thumbup:

:D
Mark
 
greenwoods said:
I am curious on what you base this?

:D
Mark
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EDIT: Okay, I'm actually wrong. I was basing my statement on several-years-old science, by the likes of Prof. Steven Pinker (harvard psychologist) and others. However, a google search has enlightened me that recent genetic research shows that we are in fact still evlolving.
 
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Right. We are evolving, but we are surely not devolving??!!??

Show of hands...who wants their 13 year old daughter to have a child?

The following say NO WAY!!!:

1. Me
2. emperorwang
3. greenwoods (aka Mark)
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

...etc.
 
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Another show of hands.
Who does not mind their 13 yo girly having kids:

1. DannyinJapan
2.
3.
4.

....etc
 
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titus010782 said:
Another show of hands.
Who does not mind their 13 yo girly having kids:

1. DannyinJapan
2. greenwoods
3.
4.

....etc
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I asked MY thirteen year old daughter if she wanted to have children at her age. She said no. She said she doesn't feel that she has the skills and experience to raise a kid yet. She does want another puppy though. I'll suppose her Mother and I gave her enough input and information that she is able to come to this decision, on her own:thumbup:

It would take a very special kind of person to decide for me, whether I raised my hand or kept it lowered in a vote of ANY kind. :)

For only myself, I work very hard to think about what and how I say something, before it crosses my teeth.

:D
Mark
 
emperorwang said:
EDIT: Okay, I'm actually wrong. I was basing my statement on several-years-old science, by the likes of Prof. Steven Pinker (harvard psychologist) and others. However, a google search has enlightened me that recent genetic research shows that we are in fact still evlolving.
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emperorwang,
Very often in Good Conversation, right and wrong isn't always clear to me either. Sometimes all we have is what works for us. I too am always learning something new and I will be the first to say I don't KNOW anything:thumbup:
Your ability to be flexible and consider other views is admirable:thumbup:

:D
Mark
 
Carolina River Rat said:
Bear in mind that this was not a condemnation of anyone in the Cantina. I like all of you guys and your opinions on this matter are your own.
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Carolina River Rat,
Oh, heck yeah Brother. I have noticed just me own self evolve and devolve many times in my short time on this planet:thumbup:
This is a GOOD place in the immense world of text and fun knife pics:)
I forget who it was that said this," If everyone agrees with you, you really don't stand for anything.". I like it though;), and I like you too.

:D
Mark
 
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