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[AusLoX]

Well, THAT was a useful post.
Excellent contribution.

Contribution to this echo chamber of a thread; the same thread that's been argued hundreds of times prior to this one. Fakes are bad for the community. It's been said over and over. There's nothing left to contribute.

 

[robgmn]

Contribution to this echo chamber of a thread; the same thread that's been argued hundreds of times prior to this one. Fakes are bad for the community. It's been said over and over. There's nothing left to contribute.

Then perhaps you should stay out of a thread you have no interest in and let people continue a valid discussion?
This isn't the ONLY thread on this forum, you know.

 

[AusLoX]

Then perhaps you should stay out of a thread you have no interest in and let people continue a valid discussion?
This isn't the ONLY thread on this forum, you know.

There's no valid discussion here. Don't buy fakes kid.

 

[robgmn]

There's no valid discussion here. Don't buy fakes kid.

Old enough to be a grandfather, and why are you still in a thread you don't want to participate in?
Shuffle off to something you'd enjoy.

 

[AusLoX]

Old enough to be a grandfather, and why are you still in a thread you don't want to participate in?
Shuffle off to something you'd enjoy.

 

[robgmn]

And yet you still post in a thread you are not interested in.
Masochist?

 

[VorpelSword]

Its the same everywhere: In the world of photography there is atype of gadget that allows a photographer to quickly switch cameras off of and back onto a tripod that is called a quick release plate. This is a set of precisionen machined fittings that interlock. One is fastened to the camera, one is fastened to the tripod.

One vry effective design is branded "Arca-Swiss" They are very good and can be a bit pricy depending on your point of view. The Chinese are all over thatslice of market with sets and pieces that are workable but a little sloppy . . .and cheap at 25 to 30 percent of the real thing.

Back to knives:

This wouldn't be so bad if the Chinese would just make a quality knife with good to great steel, that is not a counterfeit or knock-off.

Related to this is the line of Schrade one-piece fixed blades. These are knives with a hollow handle machined as a single unit—blade and handle—from one piece of steel. This construction was pioneered by CRK (in the 1980s?) as their signature line, but discontinued a few years ago. The Schrade knives have different blade profiles and are not sold as CRK knock-offs. I am guessing that there is some licensing or other legal arrangement between Schrade and CRK.

 

[Thomas Linton]

"This wouldn't be so bad if the Chinese would just make a quality knife with good to great steel, that is not a counterfeit or knock-off."

Then, having just acquired a G.E. Chen "Duty," I guess it's not so bad from your point-of-view. Worse, from other's point-of-view.

 

[bodog]

Well it's tricky. I don't feel it's completely right. And if I were to purchase something that looked like a sebenza...I'd want it to be a sebenza.

At the same time. From a legal standpoint people are allowed to do just that.

We have more copiers than just Xerox yet, everyone talks about a xerox when they mean a copier.
We have more tissue brands than Kleenex, yet in the folkmouth a tissue is a kleenex.

Even though there are copies out there, the premium value of the real thing is established.

There are more brands than just coke. Yet when you want a GOOD coke you get one from the Coca-Cola company.

But like I said...if I can I'll buy the original every time.

I think it's funny that in most every other market having generic, non-name branded items is acceptable, but with knives it makes everyone go crazy. No one wants to support blatant and obvious fraud but making something that doesn't infringe on any kind of patent and/or trademark, regardless of the resemblance, shouldn't cause people to go nuts. They're generics, nothing more. Dr. Thunder, equate, fruity rings, etc. are copies of the originals. Everyone is ok with them. Have some kind of medical impairment and insurance companies will almost demand buying the lower priced copy of the name brand. All day everyday I hear guys talking about finding the lowest price lower receiver for an AR rather than buying a colt. Everyone is ok with it. If there are no IP violations then let the market work as its supposed to. Competition forces innovation and fair market value. Propping up a non-existent monopoly just to be smug and show how much better you are than another is so asinine to me as to be silly and worthy of being laughed at.

All I can really say is of people are so against generics, then by all means, when/if your wife or your kids get sick and you insurance says it won't pay for name brand medicine, then be sure to stick to your own self imposed standards and sell your house, your car, you precious knife collection, anything and everything, in order to stick to those standards of only buying name brand products.

 

[LX_Emergency]

Well, people are passionate about the things they are passionate about.

Passion is emotion logic is rarely applied.

 

[bodog]

Well, people are passionate about the things they are passionate about.

Passion is emotion logic is rarely applied.

True. But willful stupidity can still be laughed at, though.

 

[Cobalt]

The jury is in, remain seated...
My lab tech for all intents & purposes has concluded through a multitude of tests that the metals of both the clone and the so called real deal are indeed the same. On close inspection of the quality of the workmenship, the clone had some minor imperfections when compared to the flawless "real" sebenza. Now onto the question of whom is responsible for flooding the market with less than perfect clones at a fraction of the cost of the real thing. My tech declined to comment because he didn't want to run the risk of being dragged into a liability suit. Consider this case closed...

Late to the game here. Great fun in reading this whole thread, lol

 

[VorpelSword]

Any knife is just what it is. A cheap knock-off from China is just that. A good knife from anywhere is still a good knife. Great cutlry has been crafted in Japan for centuries. They also made the Ginsu cut-anything knives sold on TV. If someone would produce a Titanium handled frame lock folder with a high alloy blade, what would it matter where it is made whether it be China, Japan or Montana?

The Chris Reeve one-piece line had the handle portion machined in South Aferica for years and no-one cared enough to make a big deal out of it. Where are the Shrade one-piece knives made now? They are a fraction of the price of the discontinued CRK knives. Bet its not a union shop in New York. Anyone know? I don't think anyone cares much as they are pretty good for what they cost and they are not CRK knock-offs.

 

[Hackenslash]

Late to the game here. Great fun in reading this whole thread, lol

Yeah, it's been amusing other than the fact that stbob has committed libel against Chris Reeve Knives. Can someone get ahold of CRK and let them know what's been claimed here by a troll?

 

[Centurian]

I never got the CRK Zebenza thing. To each their own. The issue I have with the Chinese knock off is theft of the "idea". CRK designed developed the idea then implemented the design into production. For a Chinese company to come along and counterfeit those ideas is, well criminal. Now if we want to discuss whether the original is worth the $$, and yes I do believe Cold Steel makes a better stronger lock and since I use my knives for more than a box cutter I value lock strength over blade steel....BUT I sum it up like this.....the Rolex watch is a precision Swiss instrument the only loses fractions of a seconds per month. The Casio G shock Atomic costs far far less, goes just as deep, and talks to the Atomic Clock every night and loses no seconds per month .........BUT its still not a Rolex