I'm not attacking anything. I took the advice, and I gave my honest first impressions, which were overwhelmingly negative. I also took the time to post a photo I made that showed the red marks on my hands. It's not trolling. I just spent some of my hard earned money on something recommended to me that I have absolutely no experience with. I'm not entirely dissatisfied, but I think my opinion has merit even if it is only a first impression. I paid my dues, literally. I don't think it's fair to call me a troll.
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17.5 inch "blem" WWII - horn handle review
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Maybe you aren't but while the message you sent is pretty clear your presentation is, at the very least, a little bit lacking.
This forum is a bit different than most just like the goals of HI as a business are quite a bit different than other knife makers out there.
They make traditional styled Khukuris, period. If that isn't what you like and they can't make what you like through a custom order than maybe their offerings aren't for you. Back in July when I ordered my first Khukuris I had heard different things on different forums so I ordered 2 HIs and one KH. The KH had a western styled handle with a small guard on the side with the edge of the blade. I made this selection because I was a bit suspicious of how I would like the traditional handles also. After trying the HIs I realized how effective and useful the handle was and when my KH finally came in weeks later I found it clumsy and weird. After a while I just gifted it to my cousin while I continued buying HI after HI.
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The last time I posted a review about something on a forum it was a positive review, and the forum moderators thought for sure I was shill working for the manufacturer of the product I bought. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. You people ASKED ME for a review, and then you have the nerve to insult me after I give you one? I'm getting mad, I better put this WWII down before I poke my computer monitor. 
The last time I posted a review about something on a forum it was a positive review, and the forum moderators thought for sure I was shill working for the manufacturer of the product I bought. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. You people ASKED ME for a review, and then you have the nerve to insult me after I give you one? I'm getting mad, I better put this WWII down before I poke my computer monitor.
Respect and Attitude that's your problem . Sorry but someone has to say it.
The last time I posted a review about something on a forum it was a positive review, and the forum moderators thought for sure I was shill working for the manufacturer of the product I bought. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. You people ASKED ME for a review, and then you have the nerve to insult me after I give you one? I'm getting mad, I better put this WWII down before I poke my computer monitor.
I've been monitoring this board for a while now as I am looking to buy a kukri to carry in the woods with me and one of the models I would like to get is an HI. Anyone who monitors this board for any length of time realized there is a very strong loyalty to HI here, even to the point perhaps that it skews objectivity...and that's ok they have a loyal fan base. If HI did not produce a quality product, they would not stay in business long, given the competition. What you did was not a review, but an attack in the guise of a review. To question the quality of their product, their business model, and their competence the way you did was akin to a cowboy going into Judge Roy Bean's saloon and insulting Lilly Langtry's picture...just doesn't really go over well. What were you thinking? I for one think you knew what you were doing because if you were really concerned about the quality, you would have contacted HI directly and given them the opportunity to make it right. You didn't even give them a chance. You went public and denigrated the product in such a way that publicly insulted the company, questioned their business competence and potentially turned some people away. No reasonable, intelligent person would expect a different reaction to posting such a vitriolic "review". And I have to say to their credit, the reaction of the board has been one of restraint tempered with gentleness and a willingness to help you.
Would be nice if they offered western style handles? Sure, but that's not the market they want to serve. Would doing so provide more work for the kamis? Possibly...but it's their business...it's their call...and they're still here. Can their product design be improved? Maybe or maybe not, doesn't matter as they're in business to produce quality kukri knives based on what they consider to be traditional kukri design.
So what was the your purpose in all this? Just wanted to stir things up? Why bother? It's a reflection on you, no one else. What a shame.
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Threads like this give me pause as I certainly don't want to feel like I'm being subjective as opposed to objective when in comes to how people feel about the products they review. However, a lot of the way things are presented feel like passive aggressive barbs.
We get it, you're not a fan of the traditional handles. That's cool. Some people aren't. It just feels a bit like you're tilting at windmills by going on and on and on about "inferior" handle designs and the lack of modern materials. That's just not in HI's business plan. They do what they can with what they have in order to produce the best tradtional/semi traditional khuks that the market demands. Let the other competitors be jacks of all trades. HI does one thing and does it very, very well.
It's the same reason you don't see Victorinox offering a "build your own" Swiss Army Knife. It's the same reason Glock has not tried to produce a polymer 1911. It doesn't make logistical or fiscal sense to do so even if the "masses" are crying out for it. Everyone who owns and runs a successful business knows what they are doing, but there will always be outsiders looking in who seem to know "better".
We get it, you're not a fan of the traditional handles. That's cool. Some people aren't. It just feels a bit like you're tilting at windmills by going on and on and on about "inferior" handle designs and the lack of modern materials. That's just not in HI's business plan. They do what they can with what they have in order to produce the best tradtional/semi traditional khuks that the market demands. Let the other competitors be jacks of all trades. HI does one thing and does it very, very well.
It's the same reason you don't see Victorinox offering a "build your own" Swiss Army Knife. It's the same reason Glock has not tried to produce a polymer 1911. It doesn't make logistical or fiscal sense to do so even if the "masses" are crying out for it. Everyone who owns and runs a successful business knows what they are doing, but there will always be outsiders looking in who seem to know "better".
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Honestly, you see the traditional khukuri handle's influence in many places. Several of the well known modern khuk designs (CS, Busse, Kabar, to name a few) show some of the characteristics of the traditional design. Maybe what I see in these handles is common to other Western designs as well, but it seems a khuk influence to me. The CS handle is a total traditionally shaped khuk handle. The Busse, at least one of the two designs, has the downward angle, palm swell, and enlarged pommel of the traditional khuk. I was reading just yesterday on the Busse forum how most of the Hogs prefer that handle to the other more strait version. Even the Buck Hoodlum and ESEE Junglas have the downward angle found on most traditional khuk handles. The handle ring doesn't seem to be used by modern makers, but it serves the same purpose as finger grooves. I actually prefer the ring to grooves as the grooves only work if they fit your hand while the ring is universal and just has to go between any two fingers. Designs that don't work usually don't last. It's possible the handle on your WWII just plain doesn't fit your hand, which is what happened on my HI M43, and was an easy fix. That's understandable, but definitely give it a good try before you decide. I don't even have a problem with the slick polished horn. To me the ergonomics of the design work well with the slick surface to create a very useful handle. Now, let me warn you that in my experience these handle do NOT work well with work gloves. Thick gloves allow the khuk to get real sloppy. Mechanic type gloves would probably work well though. Good luck.
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This is probably the most civil internet forum I've attended. The people here are respectful, humble and well informed. And I believe the mission of HI plays a large part in the spiritual strength that radiates from this community. That being said, it may be necessary to sometimes lock or delete threads or perhaps even ban certain members to protect that which makes this forum special. I see it done on other forums and it helps to keep order and maintain the base of users. Just a thought.
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I rehandled my ASTK after a bit of use because the ring was a bit sharp and cut into my hand ( then again, I'm pretty particular about handles, I rehandled my Busse Zilla due to it not fitting just right, but anyways, I bought one of the Ugly villager knives from awhile back, it has a traditional handle on it, and it is super comfortable.
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My advise would be to sand it to where you are happy with it, when I shape a handle, I sit outside with a bit of sandpaper and a two by four, and tweak it and chop with it till I'm happy. And it could hurt to calm down a bit, remember, even if your intentions are one thing, the way the community perceives it can be something very different
Just sublime ( this is the UVK)
My advise would be to sand it to where you are happy with it, when I shape a handle, I sit outside with a bit of sandpaper and a two by four, and tweak it and chop with it till I'm happy. And it could hurt to calm down a bit, remember, even if your intentions are one thing, the way the community perceives it can be something very different
You can answer some of these questions for yourself with the forum search function. Go to the search field near the upper right hand corner of this forum window, type in the relevant keywords and click the magnifying glass icon to the right of the search field.
In this case the keywords Busse rehandle Jroden5446 (without the italics) will take you right to a thread with the photo you want.
Some searches will return many threads. That's a good thing. You can educate yourself. After that, you will be asking educated questions.
Good luck.
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Kook, I think part of the issue may be how you're holding the handle. I find the ring fits best between my ring and pinky finger with my index finger up on the bolster. The swell is simply not an issue this way and my hand locks in perfectly. I believe this is how khukuris are meant to be held. I've never felt the need to modify any of my khukuri handles.
You're right! I just grabbed my WWII thinking "I'll just move my hand up here", but I noticed I was already instinctively holding it that way. If you look at my photo, the way I'm holding it seems totally unnatural now that I've grabbed it properly. Now I just need to go chop something. Too bad all my poles are aluminum. I suppose I could probably still chop those if I wanted to! Thanks jayinhk :thumbup:
And with this last exchange......this thread is closed.
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We do wholeheartedly appreciate people taking the time to do reviews and give us their impressions of our product.....when it is an educated and thoughtful. When the reviewer has taken the time to understand and actually has used the product and the review is presented in a respectful manner.
We try to be friendly, amicable and respectful in this forum.
We do wholeheartedly appreciate people taking the time to do reviews and give us their impressions of our product.....when it is an educated and thoughtful. When the reviewer has taken the time to understand and actually has used the product and the review is presented in a respectful manner.
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