Flatlander1963
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I sent Richard a email and invited him to come back and discuss this some more so I hope he will.
Here is another question about 2 dot 110 production in the 70's "was it relatively linear production?"
There was aproximately 6 full years of two dot 110 production. During that time four different inlay/rivet patterns were used. And this if examples of those four variations:
As a practical matter the 4 inlay rivet knife doesn't count in this discussion as it was just an effort to use the existing inventory to 2 rivet inlay during the transition to a three rivet pattern and its production numbers were not significant.
1978 If it is correct that three pin two dot production began early in this year with small head rivets and that somewhere in the remaining two years of two dot production, the transition to large head rivets was made...ONLY 1/3rd of two dot production was of the 3 pin variety. Consquently, there would have been approximately four years of two pin production and two years of three pin production. (I'm assuming linear production through this period. It was August of 1980 before Buck moved into the new huge facility...what production blips happened with the move?? Maybe two dot production continued until this facility move was made??). If there was in fact linear production over the six year, we collectors should see an abundance of two pin two dotters; after all, a majority or 2/3rds of production would have been two pin two dot production.
What I've found to be the case during my collecting effort were numerous two pin pre-dot 5th versions while relatively few of the two pin two dots. I also found the small head 3 pins to be hard to find but not uncommon. My main point is that the two dot collecting opportunities are overwhelmingly large head three pin knives. Yes they are the most recent but we are only talking about a range of a few years immediately prior to Buck moving into their new big production facility in August 1980.
Again assuming a reasonably linear production rate for 110s, I concluded that a majority of the 3 pin production was of the large head variety and that the majority of two dot production was 3 pin production. Therefore barring dramatic variances in production it is a reasonable assumption to think three pin production began around 1975. Interestingly 1975 is a date commonly used quite often when people want to date the two dot knives.
So prior to this discussion and dating from Richard and support by David M., I had theorized/assumed the following:
1974 - Two Dot production begins with 2 pined inlay.
1974-1975 - Transition to 3 pined inlay (w/the brief 4 pin prod.)
1975 - Small Head 3 pined production
1976 - Transition to large head 3 pin production
I'm not saying this is right. I am saying that it seemed reasonable to me based on availability of variations on the collecting market.
And all this don’t means squat if Richard or Joe or CJ or someone else says I was there and 3 pins started in 1978.
Also, this was fun laying my thoughts out on paper this morning.
Here is another question about 2 dot 110 production in the 70's "was it relatively linear production?"
There was aproximately 6 full years of two dot 110 production. During that time four different inlay/rivet patterns were used. And this if examples of those four variations:
As a practical matter the 4 inlay rivet knife doesn't count in this discussion as it was just an effort to use the existing inventory to 2 rivet inlay during the transition to a three rivet pattern and its production numbers were not significant.
1978 If it is correct that three pin two dot production began early in this year with small head rivets and that somewhere in the remaining two years of two dot production, the transition to large head rivets was made...ONLY 1/3rd of two dot production was of the 3 pin variety. Consquently, there would have been approximately four years of two pin production and two years of three pin production. (I'm assuming linear production through this period. It was August of 1980 before Buck moved into the new huge facility...what production blips happened with the move?? Maybe two dot production continued until this facility move was made??). If there was in fact linear production over the six year, we collectors should see an abundance of two pin two dotters; after all, a majority or 2/3rds of production would have been two pin two dot production.
What I've found to be the case during my collecting effort were numerous two pin pre-dot 5th versions while relatively few of the two pin two dots. I also found the small head 3 pins to be hard to find but not uncommon. My main point is that the two dot collecting opportunities are overwhelmingly large head three pin knives. Yes they are the most recent but we are only talking about a range of a few years immediately prior to Buck moving into their new big production facility in August 1980.
Again assuming a reasonably linear production rate for 110s, I concluded that a majority of the 3 pin production was of the large head variety and that the majority of two dot production was 3 pin production. Therefore barring dramatic variances in production it is a reasonable assumption to think three pin production began around 1975. Interestingly 1975 is a date commonly used quite often when people want to date the two dot knives.
So prior to this discussion and dating from Richard and support by David M., I had theorized/assumed the following:
1974 - Two Dot production begins with 2 pined inlay.
1974-1975 - Transition to 3 pined inlay (w/the brief 4 pin prod.)
1975 - Small Head 3 pined production
1976 - Transition to large head 3 pin production
I'm not saying this is right. I am saying that it seemed reasonable to me based on availability of variations on the collecting market.
And all this don’t means squat if Richard or Joe or CJ or someone else says I was there and 3 pins started in 1978.
Also, this was fun laying my thoughts out on paper this morning.
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