2 Dot 110 question...........

Richard,

Did I understand it correctly that you and Leroy say that pin heads were always the same diameter? That any size difference was a matter of the finishing process?
Clear that up for me because that's what I'm understanding.
 
Here is an interesting case. This knife has purchased new by this fella (he thought in the late 60s) but its a newer knife than that. This knife has dated paperwork for 10/76 and its a two piece box. He told me its "date of manufacture" but I asked if he would take a picture showing the date and paperwork...so we'll see. I sent him that request around lunch but no reply yet. But he's got an interesting write-up and has posted his answers to questions.

I guess this knife intrigues me given our discussion that three pins production began in 1978.
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What I'm saying is that the three pin with "small pins" and the three pin with "large pins" use a rivet with the same shank diameter. The apparent difference in pin size seems to be attributable to machining vs. not machining/finishing the inlay surface after installation of the pins, the large pins being unmachined. As far as earlier versions of the 110/112 I really can't say but it is possible the rivets have always had the same shank diameter.

On another note, the "small pins" on many knives appear to protrude from the inlay surface. I attribute this to shrinkage of the ebony over time.
 
On the date issue we have two dot two pin knives with late 1977 original warrantee papers and two dot three pin knives with 1978 warrantee papers. It is entirely possible that two pin knives exist with 1976 papers. I would not expect to find three pin knives with 1976 papers unless the knife or the papers were swapped. I am however open to any new data you can provide. When dating a transition you want the latest date on the early design and the earliest date on the new design. On the knives in question, we have many (not one) examples pinning the date of transition down to 1978.
 
I've seen a quite a number of the 60 era knives with the pin head looking like its buffed off. Who knows Richard. It doesn't really matter all this date business as those 2 dots are just the best...I love the square fat and heavy frames.
 
First a peeve of mine,
Why does every one wants to call them “pins” is beyond me..
They are NOT pins they have a hollow shank that flair’s to seat in the frame.

Ok here is my two coppers :In my Buck Tales of the 110
That very early on, there were small brass brads in the 1964 to 6? inlays but that did not last long .
Buck went to 52 shank rivets and drilled the frames for two of them.
They had small heads and later went to larger head rivets at around the time they went to all 110’s having frames drilled for to be able to accept 4 rivets….
Wow partner.. 4 hole frames? Yep!
All frames after the 2 rivet design had 4 holes in them for many, many years.
So, why the 4 rivet hole knife!
Story one>
Buck was going from 2 to 3 rivets on the inlays and had old stock so they drilled extra two holes to use them up. (But this don’t account for the 4 holes staying in the frames!)
Story two and most likely>
Buck experimented with the knife having 4 small rivets and then decided to jest do 3 when they went to larger headed 52 shank rivets.
Story three >
That they decided to use jest 3 rivets on production as that looked ok (?)
And custom knives are know to have jest used two or no rivets.

Buck does use up old stock and wastes nothing if they can help it..
So in keeping that in mind my sources say :
is it possible that some 4 rivet designs had larger head rivets – yes
Is it possible that some 3 rivet inlays had small rivets – still yes
Is it possible that some knives may have had a mix of the rivets- of course

I feel one should collect what you like and if there is a type or some thing
you feel is important then you should strive to have it ….
Good luck!

And least I remind you even Santa cannot find
“The Complete Book of Buck Knives”!
Collect what you like and like what you collect …
Your collections don’t have to please any one but you!
 
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...What he said!!!... :D:thumbup:

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Excellent comments Dave!! +1
Trax, I'm surprised a guy living so close to Buffalo likes the Fins:):)

Well I bought the 10/76 knife just to get a good close look at it. More latter. gw
 
Flat,Hope you got a good buy.DM
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The small three pin 110 got here today. The paperwork date the seller was refered to was simple the print date of the warranty paperwork. I more or less expected something of the sort. So, my suggestion that this knife might be pre-78 is not backed up by anything in the paperwork. I thought you all should know given the amount of discussion.

David, the good knews is that I paid $41 plus s&h for it in unused condition and it will replace my previous example which I had sent for a Buck spa treatment. So it turned out good for me.
 
that you are happy is always good news my friend
that even trax is happy is good news..
heck i like every one happy!
sniff sniff .. that old time song keeps running through my kidneys..
""i'd like to buy the world a buck and see them full of love
sweet s30v or good old big bg
and snow white Turkey doves !""
sniff dey dont writ songs likea that no mo...
now were is dat jar..
 
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