20 gauge buckshot

timcsaw said:
Lighten' up Francis.
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I was agreeing with you. How that did not come through, I dunno. And if you had read the entire thread, yes, you would have seen that we have shared similar experiences in terms of observing bird shot wound trauma, first hand.

My observations were discounted by those who have more field experience.

Or something.
 
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Originally Posted by timcsaw

Lighten' up Francis.
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mack_t_knife said:
I was agreeing with you. How that did not come through, I dunno. And if you had read the entire thread, yes, you would have seen that we have shared similar experiences in terms of observing bird shot wound trauma, first hand.

My observations were discounted by those who have more field experience.

Or something.
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Yes, sorry, that comment you quote wasn't directed at you...:o

Frankly, I shouldn't have directed the comment at xdshooter either... I was in a "pain enhanced mood" and was unkind in my posts.

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I apologize now to XD for my smart remarks.:o:o

Bad form on my part.:o:(

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It seems we all agree... if loading for home defense, buckshot is superior to birdshot.

I have seen a death from birdshot, but IMO it was a fluke... I wouldn't trust it for HD.

The point of my first post was meant to show anecdotal evidence that birdshot can, under the right circumstances, be deadly... just as a BB or pellet can be. For that matter, any round can kill, and most any round can surprisingly, NOT kill.

I recall Moderator Cox's story about, IRC correctly, an attempted suicide via a number of 22cal rounds into the mouth that didn't kill the individual...

but I digress...

If a shotgun were my choice for HD against people, I'd go with Buck and slugs.

My Mossberg is used primarily for "critter" deterrent and I have it loaded with Buck first, then one birdshot, followed with Buck for the rest. Where I live, I'm more likely to find a bear in my kitchen than an armed intruder.:D
 
timcsaw said:
I apologize now to XD for my smart remarks.:o:o

Bad form on my part.:o:(

It seems we all agree... if loading for home defense, buckshot is superior to birdshot.
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No need to apologize. I see that we do agree, and I am sorry for my sarcastic tone. I just see that there needs to be so much more education on this subject, and it gets under my skin.

I try to do my part. I took my nephew, father in law, and brother in law shooting on July 5th. None of them had ever shot a 12 gauge, let alone my 10 gauge. They all left with sore shoulders and big grins. And hopefully, a better understanding of shotguns.
 
bradpierson26 said:
this is an ignorant question i know, but can i fire slugs out of my mossberg safely/effectively?
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Should be fine. You just need to know about the two basic types of slugs. The first type is the rifled slug. It can be fired in any modern smooth bore barrel. The only thing you don't want with rifled slugs is a full or extra full choke. Full chokes won't harm anything, they just kill some velocity and might throw off accuracy. Extra full chokes might be damaged, depending on the diameter of the slug. Improved cylinder or modified work fine.

The other type of slug is the saboted slug. The projectile is wrapped in a plastic sabot, and is meant to be used with a rifled slug barrel. Deer hunters prefer this type, as more spin equals flatter shooting. The lighter projectile also gets a bit more velocity, and can be molded more like a large game bullet, to be more effective when it hits the deer.

I've been working with 3 inch Remington rifled slugs in my 870, and over the 4th weekend, I was getting 5 slugs into a 1.5 inch hole at 20 yards. Now I need to back up and work on more distance.
 
I don't know whether they will eventually come out with a 20 ga. slug, but these guys make the best non-sabot type 12 ga. slugs I've used.

www.dixieslugs.com

DancesWithKnives
 
DWK2 said:
I don't know whether they will eventually come out with a 20 ga. slug, but these guys make the best non-sabot type 12 ga. slugs I've used.

www.dixieslugs.com

DancesWithKnives
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I was just looking at their website, funny you should recommend them.

They are working on a 20 gauge Tri-Ball load. When I can afford it, I'm going to try some of their 12 gauge Tri-Ball.
 
I carry the Dixie Tuskers for my smoothbore Mossberg 590 mariner when on AK river trips through brown bear country. They are significantly harder and penetrate better than the venerable Rottweill Brenneke slugs that I used to load. Even when you simply hold the Dixie cartridges in your hand, they look and feel like custom ammunition. You'll be pleased with their product quality.

I have not tried the Tri-Ball load but tests on various shotgun forums and at the Linebaugh seminars suggest that they are impressive.

DancesWithKnives
 
timcsaw said:
No "open choke"...
No "heavy leather jacket"...
No "vest"...
I wouldn't "want" to use birdshot...
Wasn't a "drugged up crazy"...

Birdshot... 10 feet... dead guy... hole in chest... I saw it... I helped move the body.

First round to be chambered was intended to sting a bear in the butt as he ran away from the trash cans... second, third, etc. rounds were buckshot in case the bear didn't run.

Typical home burglary.... the guys "bear" loaded 870 ended up as his HD weapon. In the heat of "battle", he would have jacked out the birdshot in favor of the second, third, etc. buckshot rounds if he would have thought of it.

He didn't think of it. Still... Birdshot... 10 feet... dead guy... hole in chest...I saw it... helped move the body.
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& i personally have killed a deer with a single shot from a mod choke 12 gauge with #4 shot (not buckshot) 2 3/4 mag load at close range, sure in the right scenario it will work, but buck will work in most scenarios, not just the right scenario.
 
& i personally have killed a deer with a single shot from a mod choke 12 gauge with #4 shot (not buckshot) 2 3/4 mag load at close range, sure in the right scenario it will work, but buck will work in most scenarios, not just the right scenario
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That's not something I would do unless it was to put down one hit by a car. At the unit I was at I know of 4 (inmates, not deer) that got away completely with number 4 buck ( the least was 2 pellets) , full choke , 2 and 3/4th magnum loads. A fifth did die from 17 pellet hits but not until after he cleared both fences, and found a place to hide and bleed out. Farthest shot was 25 yards. #1 buck wasn't really that effective either IMO, but I didn't really see as many incidents with that to really be critical. The reason for that was we brought out the .223's at the same time. This was due to the innefectiveness of the #4 buck. It was getting embarassing. The .223's put a stop to the attempts after a few displays of what it did at close ranges. It was much more effective in getting the attention of inmates during incidents of violence than the shotguns as well. Their mere presence would stop incidents, an effect the shotguns never had.

Not one got away after taking a .223 hit ( 55 gr sp) , even with non torso shots.
 
hey i was about 13 yrs old, we decided to stay a couple of days camping and we needed the meat, also didnt have any rifles along so we had to make do with what we had to make do with.

it dropped him like a rock too lol, as fast as anything else i have ever shot a deer with, i was probably lucky though, its certainly not something i advocate.
 
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