2009 Forum Knife - getting started on ideas.

I am going to voice a different opinion, I think this is worth what what we paid. A carbon blade stockman in Stag is worth getting. If you price a Case Genuine Stag knife you are near the 80 dollar mark and that is the Case Stainless. I think that the price is in line with what you would pay regardless of brand. Mine had really good fit and finish. I am sorry that some have had problems and I respect their opinion, just thought I would share mine. That said I am looking forward to 2009.
 
oldrifleman said:
I am going to voice a different opinion, I think this is worth what what we paid. A carbon blade stockman in Stag is worth getting. If you price a Case Genuine Stag knife you are near the 80 dollar mark and that is the Case Stainless. I think that the price is in line with what you would pay regardless of brand. Mine had really good fit and finish. I am sorry that some have had problems and I respect their opinion, just thought I would share mine. That said I am looking forward to 2009.
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My thoughts exactly, and stated better than I could have.:thumbup:
 
Mine was excellent as well, see my review under Forum Knife 2008 Delivery thread.

Earlier on, somebody mentioned a Teardrop, THAT would be nice in faux ivory(Micarta) or Ebony:D Or an S&M pattern Harness Jack?

Here's another thought: CASE makes an excellent Small Texas Jack (one of my faves)with cv blades and Amber Jigged.Why not ask them if they can do some exclusive scales in bone or RAM'S Horn for us? The pattern is neither small nor massive.
 
willgoy said:
Here's another thought: CASE makes an excellent Small Texas Jack (one of my faves)with cv blades and Amber Jigged.Why not ask them if they can do some exclusive scales in bone or RAM'S Horn for us? The pattern is neither small nor massive.
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Id be nice to get it in the old Case red or green jigged bone like on the old CASE XX knives...:thumbup:

Peter
 
Kohai999 said:
4. If a Forumite commited to a 2008 knife, and backed out, they should not be able to opt in for a 2009 model(unless this is handled privately with the organizer of the 2009 BladeForums Traditional model, and approved). I say this not from a punitive perspective, but simply one of administrative efficiency, and clarity.
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I'm a guilty party here. Rather late in the game when there were only two or three spots left, I contacted Ed via PM and expressed my interest. I even obtained payment information from him. Then, I just let the matter drop. It slipped my mind, and I didn't think much about it until today when I came back to post about Peanuts. Then my thought was something like, "Ohhhh man..." (expletives omitted). I haven't been buying any slipjoints lately, and it just fell off my radar.

I was interested when I learned the pattern would be a stockman, but I was also less interested when I realized the size. I like the larger ~4" stockman knives more. That's no excuse, but it helps explain to myself why I didn't follow up as enthusiastically as I should have. At the least, I should have emailed Ed and told him that I was a no go.

My fault. My foul. I've already apologized to Ed via PM.


Edit: It bothered me enough that I went to look at old PMs (I download them as text files when my box gets full) to see what happened. There were actually four slots left, according to the last PM I see from Ed. Prior to that, I had asked him for payment info and asked about getting #50 out of 50. He responded that he would know more about numbers later. And that's where I fell off the radar, best I can tell. I downloaded those PMs soon after, and so the correspondence was relegated to a .txt file/folder on my computer instead of a PM I would have seen here at BFC. Ed probably thought I was just a nut case since I continued to post at BFC. He would have been right to think so.

My apologies again, Ed. Apologies too go out to the folks who did participate. Had I stayed on task, you might have gotten your knives a few days sooner.

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While I think STeven has a good point, I can't find it in my heart to be upset with Guyon over a little "order stuttering."

I'll bet the inimitable Bastid would be willing to give Guyon a 'pass,' assuming (of course) that sufficient praise is offered for the goats of Bastidville. :)
 
Jamie, if I recall correctly that was right around the time I started a new job and around the time my wife and I found out we are having our second child. Granted, I had my attention drawn to other matters, but nonetheless, I dropped the ball on this one. I screwed up and don't have a problem sitting out this year, even if it's a knife I like/want. I don't remember if I ever told Ed "I'll take it" since I was still asking questions about the knives and numbers, but I clearly indicated I was in when I asked for payment info. Same thing as an "I'll take it" in my book.

I know STeven doesn't make the rules around here, but he's right about keeping the process more efficient this year and in future years. "You balk, you lose" is probably a pretty good policy. That said, I'm eager to see what the forum decides on. I did get in on the 2007 Cannitler, and I really liked the '06 ring knife, though I totally missed that one.
 
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Jamie, if I recall correctly that was right around the time I started a new job and around the time my wife and I found out we are having our second child. Granted, I had my attention drawn to other matters, but nonetheless, I dropped the ball on this one. I screwed up and don't have a problem sitting out this year, even if it's a knife I like/want. I don't remember if I ever told Ed "I'll take it" since I was still asking questions about the knives and numbers, but I clearly indicated I was in when I asked for payment info. Same thing as an "I'll take it" in my book.

I know STeven doesn't make the rules around here, but he's right about keeping the process more efficient this year and in future years. "You balk, you lose" is probably a pretty good policy. That said, I'm eager to see what the forum decides on. I did get in on the 2007 Cannitler, and I really liked the '06 ring knife, though I totally missed that one.
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Hmmm. A rare "integrity sighting." [Well, not rare for Guyon.]

I hope you're enjoying the new job ... and, of course, my entire clan is wishing you all the best with your second child. Fun times are ahead for you. :thumbup::D:thumbup:
 
Kohai999 said:
4. If a Forumite commited to a 2008 knife, and backed out, they should not be able to opt in for a 2009 model(unless this is handled privately with the organizer of the 2009 BladeForums Traditional model, and approved). I say this not from a punitive perspective, but simply one of administrative efficiency, and clarity.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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I also originaly expressed an interest in the `08 forum knife. The price at the beginning from Northwoods was $70.00 for Medium Stag Stockman. Then for quite a while there was no talk at all. When the subject was brought back up the quote from Northwoods had gone to $90.00. That was when I decided to pass on this years knife. I thought that for this size production knife it was crowding my upper price limit.

Now if the Forum decides that they wants to follow STeven's advise that's fine with me. But it seems like the last couple of years the Forum just made a minimum order.

Dave
 
It just comes with the territory. Every year probably half the people who preliminarily say they'll sign up for a knife never do, you've just got to expect it. You've always got folks who suddenly have too much going on, or money problems (a lot can happen in the months it takes to get these knives finalized). Guyon, don't be so hard on yourself, life happens, and far be it from any of us to hold it against you. Besides, the last slot was filled by someone who's probably glad you forgot! I'd personally never turn anyone down as long as they make it by the order deadline, nor would I hold it against anyone who changed their mind. We usually need all the folks we can get anyway:D:D
And let me just add my hat to the ring as well, if there's a slot to fill to run this years knife, I'd be happy to step in.

Props to you Ed for a job EXTREMELY well done in 2008!!

Eric
 
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oldrifleman said:
I am going to voice a different opinion, I think this is worth what what we paid. A carbon blade stockman in Stag is worth getting. If you price a Case Genuine Stag knife you are near the 80 dollar mark and that is the Case Stainless. I think that the price is in line with what you would pay regardless of brand. Mine had really good fit and finish. I am sorry that some have had problems and I respect their opinion, just thought I would share mine. That said I am looking forward to 2009.
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I'll have to agree here, too. I'm pretty happy with mine, although I'm admittedly a "Newbie" in slipjoints/traditional knives (Sort of, I did grow up with one in my pocket ever since I could remember), but I know F&F when I see it (I own & have owned my share of different lock blade knives).

Anyways, I'm pretty happy & I like the stag, but agree that maybe for '09, a less expensive handle material & more in the blade steel & other stuff would be nice.

I really don't know my slippies, but I think a single or 2 blade one would be better, with a aforementioned things on them.
 
Ed really put a great effort on the 2008 knife. Having done 2006 this is not an easy task at all. Thank you Ed.

Not taking anything away from his effort. I too was disappointed with the quality. All three blades on mine were very lazy and the knife quite dirty. After a bout with pipe cleaners and q-tips the action improved a little. The stag on mine is decent on the pile side, but the mark side looks more like smooth bone. Granted there is no way stag is going to be consistent from knife to knife, but I felt the 2006 knives had good quality stag. Finding good stag for a run is not an easy task.

We live and learn. None of this takes away from the enjoyment of this knife knowing that there are people tied together with the help of this forum that have this knife. It makes it special to me.
 
Just tossing out a thought I had last year. Has anyone here ever owned a Bear & Son knife? They come to mind for a couple of reasons. They're in Jacksonville, AL (actually pretty close to Gus) which is near where I grew up in east-central Alabama, and I've seen their products in, of all places, the Sierra Trading Post catalog. Sierra usually sells decent stuff.

http://www.bearandsoncutlery.com/

According to the Bear & Son website, they do everything in-house, and if you click on their Product Catalog and then their "4th Generation" line, you see that they have some nice looking knives in red stag bone and carbon steel. Anyway... just a thought. I may start another thread and just see if anyone owns one of their knives. I almost pulled the trigger on one a few times at Sierra, but I never did.

About Bear & Son

We have a skilled and experienced work force capable of performing many of the extra hand operations that go into the making of our products. The Bear & Son Cutlery factory is unique. It is full self-contained. While some companies only assemble parts brought from various suppliers and put their names on the product, we do everything in-house from building our own blanking dies to heat treating, grinding and assembly, and hand finishing our products. These steps insure that Bear & Son cutlery is of excellent quality and a real value for both the dealer and consumer.

This commitment to excellence has just improved due to rich family tradition in knife making craftsmanship not only by management, but also our experienced work force. Our customers and consumers can look for even more new and exciting products as a result. Our ongoing commitment is to make them in America and make them affordable. We want everyone to be able to afford what we are proud to make!
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Edit: Well, I finally got the lagging server to push a search on through and see that Bear & Son has gotten mixed reviews. Some seemed very pleased with a B&S knife. Others weren't so happy with fit & finish. Advice seemed to be, in several threads, that you should hand select knives from this company. Maybe not the best choice for a group run then. I have been away from the Traditional forum for a while and was surprised to see that B&S is making the Moore Maker knives that Camillus used to make (I have a Camillus-made MM).
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Actually they are only 20 minutes from my driveway, I spoke to the owner at Blade, Really nice Guy. Got invited for one of their public tours. I haven't scheduled one yet. But they make a fine knife and I could visit during our production run if they happen to be chosen.
Jim
 
Guyon said:
...... I don't remember if I ever told Ed "I'll take it" since I was still asking questions about the knives and numbers, but I clearly indicated I was in when I asked for payment info. Same thing as an "I'll take it" in my book.

I know STeven doesn't make the rules around here, but he's right about keeping the process more efficient this year and in future years. "You balk, you lose" is probably a pretty good policy. That said, I'm eager to see what the forum decides on. I did get in on the 2007 Cannitler, and I really liked the '06 ring knife, though I totally missed that one.
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Let me clarify this, so it is clear for everyone.....right now we are gathering opinions on the 2009 Forum knife....everyone has an opinion....and diversity is actually constructive at this point.

The next step is going to be that whoever is gonna make this project happen is going to probably start a thread about finalizing the design.....IF you are NOT going to absolutely commit once the design is finalized...say so....IF you ARE going to commit, than take the knife.

Last year, I was pretty unhappy with the size of the pattern chosen, and the maker chosen....a position that I stand by...I like big traditional knives as well, but I DID pony up because the response once Ed opened up for ordering was fairly tepid....IIR it took over 90 days for us to get 50 committed Forumites for this project, which is pretty sorry if you ask me.

IF Guyon finds that he is interested in this year's offering, and lets it be known that he wants in, that is not a problem for me....BUT if you have 20 people expressing initial interest, and cancel come crunch time because the economy is lousy, or whatever, it screws the pooch for the entire project.

Is this fair to the 2009 BladeForums Traditional Knife administrator? Not to me, it isn't.

Thus endeth the sermon.

Bear MGC makes some decent knives...IMO the quality is not on par with any of the other offerings we had for BladeForums annual knives.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
No problem at all if Steven want to take it or work with me. :D. His expertise and connections would be more than welcome.
In 2006 (last time I did this) things worked out well. Everyone who signed up paid. Only a couple were in a tight spot so I fronted, but everything was paid for by the time I had the knives and was shipping them.
 
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Bastid said:
No problem at all if Steven want to take it or work with me. :D. His expertise and connections would be more than welcome.
In 2006 (last time I did this) things worked out well. Everyone who signed up paid. Only a couple were in a tight spot so I fronted, but everything was paid for by the time I had the knives and was shipping them.
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Possibly, Gus...I'll give you a buzz later.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Kohai999 said:
IF Guyon finds that he is interested in this year's offering, and lets it be known that he wants in, that is not a problem for me....BUT if you have 20 people expressing initial interest, and cancel come crunch time because the economy is lousy, or whatever, it screws the pooch for the entire project.
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I know that this thread is supposed to be about choosing the next knife, so this is the last I'll say about last year's screw up. Here's what I conveyed to Ed: "It's not that I was dodging the commitment because of finances or dissatisfaction with the knife. I just plain blanked on it." That's no excuse. Just the truth. I've asked Ed if I can contribute at least some $$ toward his time and effort and all the extras that went with it. I hope he accepts.
 
Guys,

Fact is we have been doing this without major hitches for 3 years and are starting on the 4th.

I don't anticipate any hitches this year. It takes time from our decision to the delivery and things do pop up. There are also aways a few that want knives who for whatever reason (new members etc.) that were not in on the original order.

The biggest issues I faced were, impatience from a few and underestimating mailing costs.
 
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