2020 is coming...

Discussion in 'Cold Steel Knives' started by Cold Steel Knives, Dec 4, 2019.

  1. johnnywizzo


    Mar 1, 2018
    I just feel that Cold Steel is turning its corporate back to their loyal customer base that has supported them and made them successful over the last forty years.
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  2. WTF


    Feb 20, 2000
    Money talks. Investors demand it. Loyal customers?..... I doubt many corporations care any more.
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  3. dogstar


    Jan 23, 2011
    I think CS is a privately held company, not traded on Wall Street. Their might be private investors, though.
  4. insta9ves


    Apr 3, 2007
    You are not the only one. This year’s folder offering definitely made me worry about Cold Steel’s direction. Hope they don’t go the way of CRKT and Gerber. Most common complaints about these brands is that they got great designs but shitty executions. Starting to see the same funny stuff here with all the plastic clip, plastic handle, backlock with secondary lock instead of triad lock, all the 14116 8cr 5cr 4034 steel. Im sure they makes money for CS, just like gerber when they start going down market, but at what cost? If the trend continues, I can only hope that the Triad lock patent runs out soon so we can get this from other brands who would take advantage of this great design.
    While I’m a big cold steel fan, I'm also pragmatic. Happy to spend my money somewhere else unless CS keep making high quality designs to the best if their potential. 2020 is a regression when it comes to folders.
    Im fine not having printed catalogs, there’s only one page im interested(the Air Lite). I can just print that page out myself.
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2020
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  5. insta9ves


    Apr 3, 2007
    I actually don’t think they are being controlled by any corporate overlords(unless you count Lynn), otherwise they won’t be making certain decisions that seems dumb if they only did a bit of due diligence and market research(only black blade, ugly bill boarding etc.).

    I think they are more preoccupied with making what the Bossman likes instead of what the customers like. If any, i think Cold Steel could use a bit more corporate governance to help them better their market research and improve their decision making.
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  6. willc

    willc Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 13, 2013
    I agree with a lot that has been said but CS is still the knife company that has the best designs and bang for buck knives for me.

    Sure I would love to see the Hold Out and Talwar come back.
    This year though has some great knives that I already got like the 4Max Scout and the Kris Voyager.

    I will miss printed catalogs and MAP totally blows in any form but CS is still above board.

    I haven’t bought a BM or ZT many years and Spyderco is starting to price themselves out for me so I hoping CS can have more hits than misses in the future.
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  7. jstrange


    Mar 31, 2012
    Was the Ranch Boss 2 ever released?
  8. Cold Steel Knives

    Cold Steel Knives Moderator Moderator

    Apr 16, 2013
    Not finished yet, they'll be ready soon!
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  9. jstrange


    Mar 31, 2012
    Thanks. Perhaps some more teaser pics are in order then? :)
  10. Cold Steel Knives

    Cold Steel Knives Moderator Moderator

    Apr 16, 2013
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  11. PeteyTwoPointOne

    PeteyTwoPointOne Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    AD10 Scout please, thank you :)
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  12. oxman198


    Jun 17, 2013
    Looks like the SR 1 lite tanto is available. Going to wait for the clip point but this will be a no brainer for the ultimate budget beater, couldnt care less about the steel.
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  13. upnorth

    upnorth Basic Member Basic Member

    Nov 25, 2006
    I joined in on some of the C.S. gripping, and I see shades of validity to some of the comments. But I live in Canada, with a much weaker dollar compared to the U.S. So with all variables considered a $100.00 knife for you fellows, is likely $150.00 give or take, for me. So I appreciate the cheaper (budget) knife lines, to a certain degree. I will never buy one of those kudu things, or whatever they are called. The point is that your mid level range is my upper cost range (generally) for these variables. I have been waiting patiently for my prefered vendor to get several of the new designs in and I have seen a price bump three times during the wait. I have no idea if this is part of the new C.S. pricing policies, or simply my prefered vendors decision to bump up models that are getting buzz/appreciation. This is not really a rant about pricing, but just an explanation from my end why mid range priced C.S. products are still a very good value from here. C.S. has always been attractive for out of the box thinking and in my consideration, quality materials, design, and construction. And their bringing out mid priced variations of high end knives, that still have decent steel (or actually quite good steel) and reasonable associated materials for grips etc., is something that I am grateful for. If you have $300.00- 400.00 to burn on a higher ender, that's cool, but I don't. I am however still able to cherry pick out some nicer stuff along with the more utilitarian, and be able to afford it. So I can't really kick too much sand at C.S. without being a hypocrite. And I speak for myself only.
  14. dogstar


    Jan 23, 2011
    Agree with you... but the Kudu is a good knife and great value :thumbsup:
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  15. upnorth

    upnorth Basic Member Basic Member

    Nov 25, 2006
    Fair enough.
  16. Chris_Texas


    Apr 2, 2020
    New forum member, lifetime Cold Steel fan. Here are my thoughts on the 2020 line up.

    Lynn Thompson Ti-Lite: Very cool. Surprising choice of steel. It seems like the target demographic for a collector piece like this one would be knife aficionados, and a knife in 440C seems unlikely to appeal to this demographic. None the less it is very cool and will undoubtedly sell out.

    Black Bear Classic: This is the knife I am most excited about. I would be even more excited if it were offered in some other (non-San Mai) steel. Either that, or upgrade the OSS and OSI to a metal guard. None the less, well done. This is what Cold Steel is all about.

    Kris Voyager: Innovative design, good steel, triad lock, very cool, and all that at an reasonable price point.

    Mini-Tuff Lites: The FULL SIZED Tuff Lite offers a Triad lock, Aus8 steel, and perfectly designed grip. Perfection. I don't know what the mini brings to the table.

    Air Lite Series: Easy home run! Aus10 steel, G10 handle, Triad lock, incredibly light weight... and all that for less than a hundred bucks. Well done Cold Steel!

    Kiridashi: Looks interesting as an inexpensive utility knife. I might pick one up just to check it out.

    Click N Cut: I can't decide if this is silly or amazing. Lots of utility knives this year. Is Home Depot really the market you are going for?

    Micro-Recon: It might be great, but why?

    1911 / Double Safe Hunter / Bush Ranger Lite / SR1 Lite series / etc: Low budget Chinese steel, generally no Triad locks. No thanks.

    OTHER: Where are the knives that were never delivered last year? I am talking specifically about the A2 or even O2 carbon steel fighting and working knives? Where are the Trailmasters and other Bowies, the Recon Scouts, the Kukris...? Why all the new small folders using cheap Chinese steel and non-triad locks? I kind of feel like you guys have lost the plot, and to be honest it's a kind of sad.
  17. AF

    AF Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    SR1 Lite has the TriAd lock.
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  18. GlockMonkey


    Sep 8, 2002
    I think the SR1 has a lot of potential. I don't think it's for me, but I can see a silly overbuilt folder at a really cheap price point being a hit.
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  19. Chris_Texas


    Apr 2, 2020
    Yes, which is why I said "generally no triad locks." I had actually detailed my opinion on the SR1 lite as a separate longer entry, but decided that I didn't want to talk too much trash and potentially hurt anyone's feelings. It is, after all, just a pocket knife.

    Whatever any of us might think about the steel or the lock or whatever, the reality is that ANY Cold Steel product is likely to deliver a lifetime's worth of exceptional performance. My post was written as feedback to Cold Steel about my own personal reaction to their product lineup. It's MY opinion, and if my wife is to be believed, probably wrong.
  20. Turok316


    Feb 24, 2013
    Yeah I agree! The old Cold Steel forum is gone and now their print catalogs!

    The old logo kicked ass too! It was sharp and distinctive!
    The current one looks childish and kiddy by comparison! I thought I was looking at counterfeit knives from China the first time I saw it!

    Cold Steel will always be the world's strongest, sharpest knives!
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