.22 Rifle Discussion

I currently have the Marlin 60, Springfield 87A, and Remington Viper 522.

I am currently looking for a .22 Magnum that won't break the bank with a semi auto. I am thinking of either the Marlin 925 Mag or the Marlin 983. One has magazines and the other has a tube. Which would you suggest and why?

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I have a 983T (with the plastic stock) -- tube fed, fantastic gun, very accurate.
I wish Marlin made a 39A in .22 Mag.
 
The Ruger 10/22 is about the most reliable semi auto 22 made. That said, in the wilderness, I don't want a semi auto. I would much rather have a good, simple, reliable single shot. My second choice would be a bolt action. For a handgun, The 22/22Mag Ruger single six would be my choice.

Around civilization and a tool box and cleaning kit, the semi auto's are fine. and fun to shoot. And by wilderless I am talking about Long extended times away from your base.
 
I like the 10/22. I like the levers. I like single-shot bolt-actions.

I think that the 10/22 has a more durable magazine than the brass-tubes. Just seems more simple, and more rugged. But I love to sneak out of the house early on a Saturday morning with my kid's little Marlin 915YN to chase rabbits with. Light, little rifle, with a pocket full of .22s. Makes for a nice morning.
 
The 10/22 has A LOT of aftermarket products/goodies:thumbup:
I've had mine for 20 years and never had a problem with it :thumbup:

Even after the SHTF===>
I won't be dragging my 10/22 through the mud and gunk, so, a semi-auto shouldn't be a problem..IMHO
 
I am currently looking for a .22 Magnum that won't break the bank with a semi auto. I am thinking of either the Marlin 925 Mag or the Marlin 983. One has magazines and the other has a tube. Which would you suggest and why?

The 983, it is one sweet shooter!!!!
 
Several have mentioned the barrel band on the 10/22. What's the story there?

From my observations, when you tighten it enough to make it stay on, it puts downward tension on the barrel, and if you don't perfectly tighten it down the same amount every time, it mess with the accuracy.

Mine just seemed to be more consistently accurate with the band removed, in essence "free floating" the barrel.
 
RE: short barreled 10/22

I did a lot or reading on rimfire.com and work by some of its members has shown that going with barrels longer than 16 -18 inches provided no benefit in either velocity or accuracy. It is a common debate/question over there...
 
RE: short barreled 10/22

I did a lot or reading on rimfire.com and work by some of its members has shown that going with barrels longer than 16 -18 inches provided no benefit in either velocity or accuracy. It is a common debate/question over there...

Very true. It is not quite a hard and fast rule because some loads will vary, but 16"-18" will, for the most part, get everything out of the .22LR in terms of velocity.

However, there are advantages to 20"-24" barrels. They are much more quite (especially on bolt actions) and if you are using open sights the longer sight radius can help you place shots more precisely.
 
as far as quiet goes, would it work if you held the bolt shut with your thumb on a semiauto? I know it would be a single shot for that round but if you wanted quiet wouldn't that work?
 
I've got 3 10/22's and the one below would be good for survival. It's accruate at 50yds for anything I'd need to do. One is a bull barrel, so too heavy and the other is a 22" barrel. A bit long. I built the last two w/ new hammer/trigger/sear. Both are very accurate.


But I've also got 2 of the 39A's too. One it a standard 39A made in '64 and the other is a Mountie made in '58. It'd be a toss up on which I'd choose.

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I've owned a lot of 22 cal rifles but I sold or traded all but two. I have my original stainless 10/22 and I have a CZ 452. The 10/22 is just too reliable to sell plus the new receivers and trigger groups aren't as nice as the originals so I'm keeping it but I honestly don't shoot it anymore.

I love shooting the CZ 452 bacause they are so dam accurate right out of the box.

My suggestions for anyone shopping for a new 22 rifle is the CZ 452 Scout and the 452 American with 16" threaded barrel. These things have adjustable triggers and are as accurate as competition rifles. The Scout model has a 16" barrel with typical rifle sights. It's the cheapest priced 452 but is every bit as accurate as the nicer models. If a scope is you thing then the 16" American is my favorite. They also have the 452 Trainer but the barrel is so long that it's cumbersome and is not a good option for mounting a scope.
 
Ditto that.

For a survival rifle (not concealed war rifle) a bolt .22lr seems the way to go. Simple and easy to maintain and reliable.

I have several very expensive .22lr - but if I had to pick one to live off ot would be the cz452 - accurate and robust. The stores don't even bother to carry spares beacuse they don't break

The marlin papoose was great because it was so easy to carry - but unfortunatley the government took all our semis here.

I very much like my sako quad - can take it a part for carry like the papoose - but reasembles with same POI (which the papoose did not) adn at least as accurate as the Cz - and the option of changing barrels to suit ammunition and game in seconds.

But for pure survival - the cz452 bolt action any day
 
I have a Ruger 10/22, which is being customized, a Marlin 989M1 carbine and a Ruger Mark II pistol.All three are great shooters.For pure survival and customizing for your particular needs I would go with the 10/22.The one reason I say that is the amount of ammo you can carry.I too have 50 rd magazines for mine.I can only get 15 rd mags for my Marlin.Dave:)
 
Dave

Diferent things work for different people and the ruger 10/22 are legendary rifles

I am curious why you see larger magazines as an advantage in survival. I would prefer to have the spare ammuntion in its box and a magazine that did not protude to far and get hung up on things or make accruate sighting hard
 
Well for me, I would prefer not to have to carry an extra box and I don't find the extra length mags getting in the way.Also in a situation where the gun is needed for survival IMHO more ammo at the ready is better.But like you say everyone likes different things.Dave:)
 
I'd certainly be choosing a .22 as a meat-getter. I like them because the ammo is readily available, you can carry plenty of it, and it is relatively quiet. I also use a supressor quite a bit.... along with subsonic cartridges.

Although I don't recommend the .22 for anything much bigger than a rabbit, I have bagged a number of feral goats and pigs with one. More recently I dropped a large red deer with a single shot (using 'Peters' standard hollow). Mostly I use Winchester subsonic hollows.

Semi-autos are good because you can keep on pumping lead..... but it is probably better to make the first shot do the job. And it is certainly more economical on ammo to fire just once. Just one shot attracts less attention too.... and that is something to consider.

I enjoyed using a little Browning semi-auto for a while, but the tube magazine was not as convenient as a box magazine..... and I felt that there was a danger that I might not have emptied the magazine completely after using the rifle.

My current favorite semi-auto is a Gevarm. This fires from an open bolt position and is very rugged and reliable. One drawback with this is that leaf litter can find its way into the cavity created by the open bolt...but apart from that they seem to be terriffic. The striker leaves a great deep chisel mark right across the back of the cartridge case so unless the ammo has no priming material at all, it will generally fire. Ejection is simple..... the case is blown out and that's that.... no fiddly extractors etc. It seems to cope well with both subsonic loads and high velocity cartridges.

My brother has a nice 10-22, and he seems to think that it is a good thing. I guess one of these would be fairly near the top of my list if I needed another rifle.

I've come to appreciate telescopic sights. Dang.... I've found that when the gun is sighted in, all you have to do is hold the crosshairs on what you want to shoot and squeeze the trigger !! It is magic !! For years I used just open sights because of their reliability and simplicity. But for making every shot count .... especially in darker conditions, a scope really does improve things.

If I were looking for a reliable rifle, one thing I'd be considering is the sturdiness of the sights. Some are much more easily knocked than others. I sometimes have made a light center punch mark on the barrel in line with the middle of the sights (front and rear) so that I have a quick check for correct alignment.

Another thing I do with open sights is to sometimes apply some white chalk or 'white out' paint to the foresight so I can see it easier in the bush or dark conditions.

The big thing with any sort of bow or rifle shooting is to place the shot in the right spot. If you can be sure you know where the brain cavity is on a big animal, that is a heck of a good place to put your bullet. The one deer I've got with a .22, and many of the goats, fell after being shot this way. However I've had a harder job getting pigs with head shots. Maybe their brain cavity is well protected with thick bone, or maybe I misjudge its location..... but now if I only have my .22 when I see a hog I want, I am more likely to try to land the bullet into the heart/lung area..... and I have certainly had success doing this, although most of the pigs obtained this way were under sixty pounds. Like I said earlier, a bigger caliber should be used for big animals like pigs and deer whenever practical.

The .22 that I've probably bagged the most game with is a bolt action, five shot box magazine Anschutz. My dad screwed the barrel for a silencer, and he replaced the dodgy rear sight with a sturdy home-made vee sight.

Just recently an old buddy sent me some pictures he'd scanned. Some of these were taken on a hunting trip we took together back around 1974. He was really quick with his camera when a knarly old pig appeared in front of us. The gun shown is the Anschutz .22. We got the pig and carried it out, but as I recall it was some of the worst pork I've ever tried to eat. Great picture though.
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Here's a pic showing my little semi-auto Browning and a small hog I shot with it. The rifle looks a bit ugly with the supressor fitted, but it was certainly functional. Lovely guns those Brownings, just a bit dangerous though.... for me anyway..... with the tube magazine in the stock.

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