24 hours with a BK2

[clich]

Clich I didn't see anything about a vehicle... A glove box seems like concealment, no?

Concealment is up to the cop. There are a-holes that say a legal folding knife inside and clipped to your pocket is concealment and a weapon. Its different from cop to cop how they will see concealment. I think you will be safe with it in a glove box since you were trying to keep it safe, and that system failed. If for some reason your ever searched, make known what you have and where it is so that there is no surprises.

 

[bearedmonkey]

I think that's probably true. When it comes to the police report... I dunno. Like I said, there's no serial number of the knife, so I'm not even sure if it makes sense to mention it. In addition to that, my dad works for the city, so I don't think he'd appreciate me letting the cops know I had a knife in my car. It's just different around here -- folks really look askance at weapons (whether or not you'd consider the bk2 to even be a weapon, which personally I wouldn't -- thing is so heavy I can't imagine it would do you much good) so it's almost a guilty until proven innocent kind of thing. Messed up, but it's how it is.

 

[CCMI]

here ya go. Seems like a bk2 in a car is legal.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...knife-laws?highlight=massachusetts+knife+laws

That thread also says that Cambridge (if you live in the city proper) has a max length of 2 1/2", unless you have the proper license.

Boston, Lawrence, Cambridge, Revere, Lynn, Salem and Beverly have 2.5" blade limit for knives carried in public. These are local ordinances, punishable by arrest and $300 fine. Worcester also has a blade limit, 3" if I recall correctly. Holders of a Massachusetts Class A licenses to carry firearms (even if restricted to hunting and target shooting) are exempt.

That's my problem too - state law is pretty open but most of the cities around me have a max 3" knife law... very dumb to try and keep track of so I just don't bother carrying anything over 3".

While this is not legal binding or anything, I've found this to be a great resource in looking at municipal knife laws - http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USKnife2.pdf

Also, sorry to hear about the theft of your stuff. Not cool at all that people will do that.

 

[Skystorm]

That sucks sorry to hear that. I would file a report just on the off chance that the thief knifes somebody with your fingerprints on your bk, And keep an eye on c-list for a week or two since ipods sell quick.
Had someone hop a fence and steal one of my pugs once, then put him on clist to get a few hundred bucks real quick. Fortunately I found the ad and called the @#$%^&er, he gave me his addy and I went over and knocked on his door with a Beowulf (.50 cal ar15). We had a long conversation about the merits of relocating to another state within 72 hours. I can replace stuff, but if you touch one of my dogs i'll chop you to bits with a remora.

 

[bearedmonkey]

That thread also says that Cambridge (if you live in the city proper) has a max length of 2 1/2", unless you have the proper license.

That's my problem too - state law is pretty open but most of the cities around me have a max 3" knife law... very dumb to try and keep track of so I just don't bother carrying anything over 3".

While this is not legal binding or anything, I've found this to be a great resource in looking at municipal knife laws - http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USKnife2.pdf

Also, sorry to hear about the theft of your stuff. Not cool at all that people will do that.

Yeah me neither. I've got a little Buck scholar for my edc -- razor sharp now and covers most of whatever I need to do, and for the rest I've got a Leatherman. Good to know all this though -- I think I was maybe carrying a four inch folder at one point...

 

[bearedmonkey]

That sucks sorry to hear that. I would file a report just on the off chance that the thief knifes somebody with your fingerprints on your bk, And keep an eye on c-list for a week or two since ipods sell quick.
Had someone hop a fence and steal one of my pugs once, then put him on clist to get a few hundred bucks real quick. Fortunately I found the ad and called the @#$%^&er, he gave me his addy and I went over and knocked on his door with a Beowulf (.50 cal ar15). We had a long conversation about the merits of relocating to another state within 72 hours. I can replace stuff, but if you touch one of my dogs i'll chop you to bits with a remora.

Damn! I'd imagine he was out pretty quick. Also good call on the prints -- hadn't thought about that one. Guess I don't really have a choice now.

 

[hawaiianhawk]

That really sucks, man. I hate thieves. Hope everything works out... I'd report it just on the off chance the knife is found ditched somewhere or used in some crime.

 

[Fanglekai]

If you have homeowners or renters insurance it should cover those items even the quarters up to a certain amount. A small amount of cash is usually covered in your policy. Talk to your agent and see about filing a claim. If you have a low deductible it might be worth it.

 

[Cobra281]

Sorry to hear man.

I lived in MA for the first half (+) of my life. Anywhere in the orbit of Boston is real uptight.

Anyway - hate to say it, but prob. ain't worth the trouble to mention the blade. Does suck, but it is, what it is.

Hope you catch the MOFO and great 'em with a "Beowulf ... .50 cal. AR 15" ... 'Rut 'Row George

 

[Wolf_1989]

Also with the cops, there's no serial number on the bk2, though there is on the ipod. Can they use correlating items as evidence?

It's easy to make your own, personal, and pretty much irrefutable serial number.

Here's how:

Write your Social Security number backwards, with no spaces. That's your personal serial number.

For a Becker, take the handle slabs off and engrave that number on the tang.

Now, if someone finds that number, they most likely won't think that's someones SS# in reverse. And you can disclose this to law enforcement with your SS card as proof.

I was told this little trick by someone I went to high school with, who is currently a police officer with over 15 years experience.

 

[CCMI]

That's a pretty slick idea, Wolf. :thumbup:

I can't imagine a thief taking the time to remove the handles, let alone file off a number like that.

 

[bearedmonkey]

That's an awesome idea, think I might do it with my driver's license number.

 

[Wolf_1989]

Yeah that will work too. Or your phone number in reverse, or your birthdate.

 

[sar5]

Dude I'm sorry to hear that, as you know I'm waiting or mine to come. When I get it we can share, you can cut every other month

 

[bearedmonkey]

Dude I'm sorry to hear that, as you know I'm waiting or mine to come. When I get it we can share, you can cut every other month

Awesome. Maybe we can join that batoning contest by sending the knife and logs back and forth :thumbup:

 

[Moosez45]

A knife in your car is the same as a knife in your house. Most laws concerning "knives/weapons" deal with on your person/concealed.

It sucks you lost your blade, man. Damn that sucks. File a police report, and report it stolen.

Moose

 

[bearedmonkey]

Yeah... well, filed a police report and waiting to hear back. Just can't believe I'd been contemplating buying the thing for months, then had it for 1 day! That'll teach me to triple-check my door locks, not to mention being careful not to leave things I care about in it over night.

 

[CCMI]

A knife in your car is the same as a knife in your house. Most laws concerning "knives/weapons" deal with on your person/concealed.

Moose

Maybe in the free world... http://knife-expert.com/ma.txt


Boston Municipal Code of Ordinances

16-45 PROHIBITING THE CARRYING OF KNIVES OR SIMILAR WEAPONS.

16-45.1 Carrying of Weapons Prohibited.
No person, except as provided by law, shall carry on his person, or carry under his control in a vehicle, any knife having any type of blade in excess of two and one-half (2½ ) inches, ice picks, dirks or similar weapons that are likely to penetrate through police officer's ballistic vests, or other object or tool so redesigned, fashioned, prepared or treated that the same may be used to inflict bodily harm or injury to another, except:

a. When actually engaged in hunting or fishing or any employment, trade or lawful recreational or culinary activity which customarily involves the carrying or use of any type of knife, or

b. In going directly to and/or returning directly from such activities, or

c. If the knife is being transported directly to or from a place of purchase, sharpening, or repair, and if packaged in such a manner as not to allow easy access to the knife while it is being transported.
​

I'm not really clear on my own state law here in MI either: http://knife-expert.com/mi.txt

750.227. (1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk,
stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of
any length, or any dangerous weapon, except a hunting
knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about
his or her person, or whether concealed or otherwise in
any vehicle... except in his or her dwelling house [or]
place of business... (3) A person who violates this
section is guilty of a felony...​

Seems like it comes down to police discretion/ DA interpretation of the law. Clean cut citizen with hammer = not dangerous, Sketchy looking guy with hammer = dangerous. Carpet knife in a tool bag = not dangerous, "scary looking knife" in glove box = dangerous weapon.

 

[bearedmonkey]

Well, I can look clean cut if I want to. I'm also a Special Ed teacher who works with troubled teenagers, so I think I've got my "good citizen" bases covered. The cops kinda chuckled at my earnestness in wanting to report the knife as stolen and possibly "in the wrong hands", so I think I'm good. Looks like I'll be taking a ride up to Maine to pick up another one sometime soon -- don't want to wait for USPS!

 

[Moosez45]

Most laws concerning "knives/weapons" deal with on your person/concealed.


Moose

Maybe in the free world... http://knife-expert.com/ma.txt


Boston Municipal Code of Ordinances

16-45 PROHIBITING THE CARRYING OF KNIVES OR SIMILAR WEAPONS.

16-45.1 Carrying of Weapons Prohibited.
No person, except as provided by law, shall carry on his person, or carry under his control in a vehicle, any knife having any type of blade in excess of two and one-half (2½ ) inches, ice picks, dirks or similar weapons that are likely to penetrate through police officer's ballistic vests, or other object or tool so redesigned, fashioned, prepared or treated that the same may be used to inflict bodily harm or injury to another, except:

a. When actually engaged in hunting or fishing or any employment, trade or lawful recreational or culinary activity which customarily involves the carrying or use of any type of knife, or

b. In going directly to and/or returning directly from such activities, or

c. If the knife is being transported directly to or from a place of purchase, sharpening, or repair, and if packaged in such a manner as not to allow easy access to the knife while it is being transported.
​

I'm not really clear on my own state law here in MI either: http://knife-expert.com/mi.txt

750.227. (1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk,
stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of
any length, or any dangerous weapon, except a hunting
knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about
his or her person, or whether concealed or otherwise in
any vehicle... except in his or her dwelling house [or]
place of business... (3) A person who violates this
section is guilty of a felony...​

Seems like it comes down to police discretion/ DA interpretation of the law. Clean cut citizen with hammer = not dangerous, Sketchy looking guy with hammer = dangerous. Carpet knife in a tool bag = not dangerous, "scary looking knife" in glove box = dangerous weapon.

That's why I said most. Some laws even consider whether the car is in motion or in park. My general rule of thumb is I treat my car like my house, you wanna come in and search it, best bring a warrant, because you're gonna need one.

What I have found here, in East Tenn, is that even if your car is parked on private or public parking, and there is a sign that says, "We have the right, blah, blah, blah to search your car", they are wrong. Flat out wrong. On private property, the LEO won't even step foot unless there is possible crime going on at that moment. They won't take a police report on an accident that occurs on private property. Didn't know that, but have had the same experience three times now, with the same results.

On public property, the can call into account "reasonable suspicion", which can mean anything from smelling marijauna, to seeing a gun lying in the seat. But like a few LEO buds of mine, and a couple of Sherriff's Deputies, just because they can call "reasonable suspicion" doesn't mean the search will hold up in court.

I keep my stuff outta sight and where ever I want it, and go on about my life, and haven't had any issues. I been pulled over while transporting various knives to and from shows, while wearing a gun. After my CCWP was checked and verified, I was given a ticket and told to keep it under the limit. On a couple of occasions, I've gotten into a good discussion about knives, with the LEO that pulled me over. Sold him on some ESEE stuff.

Moose