4 broken khukuris

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One reason for our confidence in these tools, beyond our own experience, is that noted examiner Cliff Stamp has tested them, I believe some to destruction. He found they far surpassed most blades available, certainly within the price range.

I must observe this- my Father never broke tools on the farm the way you have. His life depended upon them during the Great Depression.




munk
 
Berkley, are you sure you wish to let that post stand?
As God is my witness!
Berkley Bryant Bettis
State Bar of Texas No 02268500
Austin, Texas
 
munk said:
I must observe this- my Father never broke tools on the farm the way you have. His life depended upon them during the Great Depression.
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You have a point Munk. But I must add that I never broke an axe, hammer or saw for example. I do not see myself as a notorious breaker.

Hmmm... all things I have broken are made in 3. world. Things I have not broken are made in Norway or Sweden, such as Swedish axes. That could also be something. For example I constantly bend Chilean nails when hammering, but I almost never bent a Norwegian one while hammering (well, at a greatly different rate that is).

I am beginning so sense some dislike against my posting. Could I or should I have asked about things differently? Could or should other persons have read my posts differently?
 
I think so.


Your qualifiers should have come up front.

But you admitted the broken shovel. That was good. But if you broke some khuks a year ago- why did you get four more? You did not want to break a chain saw because you were in a third world country, you said, but were willing to break 4 or 5 hundred dollars worth of khuks? What does that sound like to you? That doesn't make sense.

And then to arrive with only 3 posts and an in your face account of breakages.... Were you happy they broke? You asked for any possible rational explanation- does that sound unbiased or unaffected? Did you ask for help? These things do not make you sound entirely sincere. I've given you the benefit of the doubt, as have others here- per our affection for the place and our own standards. But Berkley has voiced a very real reaction and question.

Are you hard on everything?

Berkley's right about the idiosyncratic report- Stamp attempts to objectify the testing by repeatable measures.

I wouldn't send you any Kobras either.

munk
 
I'm still new to khuks, I only own one, an 18" kobra. I would never use it for chopping anything over a couple of inches. Kobras don't have the weight, girth, or balance for heavy chopping. In fact the description says that they are a martial arts blade.
I dont know why your other HI khuks broke, but long thin blades should be treated as such.
 
Berkley said:
If I were Bill's lawyer, which I am not, I would advise him not to sell you any more khukuris. You are obviously capabable of breakng them and documenting the breakage You do not document the use you put them to, and it is statistically provable that your results are idioisyncratitc. I think you are a malicious troll, in fact, a person who is trying to cause economic harm to a friend of mine. I'd be happy to meet you in person and concuct a controlled khkuri test of your design.
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I don´t get it. Really I don´t.

I am here because I am wondering about things. I am here to ask questions and discover. That is what I am doing. If I am unpolite then say so. Then I need some other verbal formulations to channel my thoughts and questions. I had no idea brain storm ideas were unwelcome unless packed and wrapped in cotton first.

I am asking questions about a product that I have purchased. Still you are acting as if I attacked someone´s person. Why are you acting as if you know me after just a couple of posts of mine here?

To answer your questions:

How can I document the use of my khukuris? I suppose evil subhuman beings like me cannot be credited just by their description of what happened. I have witnesses who have seen me work with khukuris and can describe my way of working. And witnesses that have seen me break 3 out of 4. They are family or friends though, will that suffice? You are running the part of HI that deals with this?

I don´t know if you took statistics at university or college. But do you know that if you conduct a thousand experiments where let´s say you prey to God for a stone to fall from heaven. Then after a number of such prayer experiments a stone will actually fall from heaven. That´s statistics.

You can come to visit me here: http://home.no/jimenez/
It is a good inn. I live there and my father runs the inn.

Otherwise than that I am not interested in continuing such a debate with you because it would be bad for the forum and a waste of my time. I answered your post now out of politeness only. This ends here on my part unless you wisen up a bit.
 
Khukuries are knives; they are not shovels, they are not plows, nor are they pick axes. The true test of a craftsman is to use the right tools for the job; and, then to know when to back off before something breaks. Breaking things is easy. Any novice can go through a truckload of tools within weeks, while an experience person will often use the same tool kit for decades. I can smash any knife into a rock and destroy it instantly; or torque the blade the wrongway and just snap it.

Rene's father is probably right; he will be breaking alot of tools. He managed to go through four knives without bothering to notice that he was using them incorrectly. The question is not whether a khukuri can chop wood; they certainly can. But, that does not give you license to recklessly pound the thing into a piece of wood. It takes technique; which is to say, it is not about muscle. Take the time to learn to use your tools; you will get much more out of them, produce more work, and save quite a few bucks along the way.

n2s
 
munk said:
But you admitted the broken shovel. That was good.
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It was not a matter of admitting for me. It was a matter of gathering all the interesting information in order to see if it really could be that I use things too hard. I just thought and remembered. I never broke so many things before, not any piece of tool. That is why I am astonished.


munk said:
But if you broke some khuks a year ago- why did you get four more?
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I didn´t.

I broke two about a year ago, and I broke the last two now. Those are all that I have broken. I would never order four more after breaking some others.

After I broke the first two Uncle Bill wanted to refund my money. But I believed in his products so I said send me two replacements without any warranty. I will take my chances and it will cost you less, I said. Because replacements are cheaper for Uncle Bill as they are imported for less than sold.


munk said:
You did not want to break a chain saw because you were in a third world country, you said, but were willing to break 4 or 5 hundred dollars worth of khuks? What does that sound like to you? That doesn't make sense.
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No, I had two khuks worth less than 300 dollars.
And I believed in that the two previously ones where unlucky products since Uncle Bill said earlier to me that some times the kamis have bad periods.
You are not reading my posts properly. And so I took into use two khuks that I still had 100% faith in.

munk said:
And then to arrive with only 3 posts and an in your face account of breakages....
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I don´t get it. Do I have to have a certain amount of posts in order to be able to have an opinion?

munk said:
Were you happy they broke? You asked for any possible rational explanation- does that sound unbiased or unaffected?
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Happy? I don´t know what image you have in your mind but I don´t see your reasons for it.

Unbiased or unaffected. Depends on. If you ask it to someone who does not get emotionally involved in things that he should not but is more object oriented then he will not think it is biased or affected. I was expecting the object oriented response since I was asking about an object.

munk said:
Did you ask for help?
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They are broken. They are also in the process of getting fixed. Why are you of the opinion that I should ask for help, for what? I am just asking because it might be that I am missing some point you wanted to make.

munk said:
These things do not make you sound entirely sincere. I've given you the benefit of the doubt, as have others here- per our affection for the place and our own standards. But Berkley has voiced a very real reaction and question.
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Some of the things should be clarified for you above now. Others maybe not.
I don´t know. You tell me.

munk said:
Are you hard on everything?
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Like I said, I don´t have a history of breaking things.
 
First of all Welcome Rene'!!!!:D

I don't know, but I'm gonna take Rene' at his word.
The hell of it is that Bill himself has said the Nepalis use the khuks for everything from a hammer putting outhouses together to a shovel for digging potatoes. That's why the point is left softer supposedly, so it won't break.:rolleyes: Hasn't Cliff dug with the khuks in his test's? Hell, I've dug holes with a knife but it was a big ol' knife that I made from a piece of spring steel and other than dulling it a bit no harm was done. And I had a couple of these ol' big knives and I was damned hard on them!!!! Nothing is as hard on a knife as throwing one and I threw these all of the time. They hit sideways, on the spine, stuck in at odd angles and all kinds of abuse, nary a problem.
Bill has advertised these khuks as being damned near indestructable so if it's anyone's fault that the ones Rene' broke I feel it's Bill's for advertising them that way and the the kamis at a time of the year when there's always been failures although some more than others.
I didn't think Rene' was trolling when he posted. Lets remember that Rene' is from another culture and that English may not be his first language.
Hell we all know from our own experinces with each other the problems that language can bring.:(
I'm giving Rene' the benefit of the doubt until it's proven differently, if it is.
 
Rene,

Welcome to the Cantina!

I'm sorry to read that your khukuris have broken. Maybe a Ganga Ram Special will withstand your daily use? Or perhaps a Chiruwa Ang Khola?

My khukuris are for my backyard amusement, so I don't know if they would or wouldn't stand up to clearing eucalyptus trees and planting olive trees. My 15" Ang Khola got dented all over its edge when I attacked a gliding rocking chair, but the damage was 95% removed while relaxing in front of the computer with a sanding block.

Best wishes for your family and farm!
 
I'm going to lock this and put it up at the top for awhile.

I think this should remind everyone that while seldom seen, tang failures can happen. Usually from the kamis being in a hurry or distracted, and hardening the area around the bolster.

We are going to have to make people aware once again that if you think your khukuri will EVER be put to use, test it. As soon as it arrives, and do it now with any you haven't already tested. If you get scratches or scuffs on it, they can be polished out. Slam it sideways into a 4x6, then smack the other side. Build up to your full strength on the blows, and if nothing breaks, then you've done what amounts to giving it a series of proof loads, as is done with firearms by shooting loads that are over the maximum pressure for factory loads.

Pay attention here! Some of you have wives and families. If you don't proof the khuks you have, maybe the hidden flaw will appear when you are around them and one of them gets in the line of fire, so to speak. Do you want to watch the breaking blade flying off into a son or daugter or wife?
 
If the habaki bolster contributed to this, I'd think it would have shown by now. But maybe not.

Do you think another company's khuks would have served you better? I do not believe that.
It is strange you're the only one with so many broken khuks.

For my part, I'm done with this discussion. I've said what I could. My suggestions either strike home or they fly overhead, or maybe just South.






munk





munk
 
I don't know about the rest of you humans, but I never think of everything I should say, or think I should think, right away. (as if that makes a lot of sense) Why didn't I ask Rene a simple question like where was he striking on the blade- the sweet spot?

That link was informative and brought a lot of good stuff up.

munk
 
Well spotted Rusty! I realy hope Bill hasnt sent the refund yet!

Rene you are the lowest form of slime its possible to imagine, Berkley had you sussed right.

I wont waste my anger on you, as you already know what a scum sucking slimeball you are, I expect your proud of it because you are so F***ked up, I am sorry that you have always been so unloved & detested in this world that your only way of self achiement is to think you are a good thief, & we both know that wont replace what is realy missing in your life & always has been.

Rot in the hell of your currant exsistance.

Spiral.
 
SAME PICTURE. Rene is who? Eikerverang, or did he just use the photo? At any rate, this means less than geniune post from Rene.


WOW

munk
 
AND HE MAY HAVE JUST ROBBED UNCLE BILL OF A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS.

but is 'this guy' Eikverang?

I'm a little disgusted I was so reasonable. I am stupid- it is Eikerverang. What a complete lying, hypocritical, thiefing, prentious prick you are.

GO TO HELL

munk
 
is 'this guy' Eikverang?

It doesn't look that way. He has a different email, and Eikverang had already been compensated for his knife.

n2s
 
They are Eikerverangs picts- and Eikverang stated he had a 1 dollar khuk with Nepall 1999 printed on it. What say you? Did I get this wrong?
And email address- who cares? They change. And being previously compensated would not mean one couldn't rob Uncle Bill afresh. Both REne and Eik fare from the same part of the world. Too much.


munk
 
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