403boker - impolite.

[senoBDEC]

Stay away from this child from Canada = John Doe a.k.a. 403boker (how droll).
Email is seizures2000@hotmail.com

Here's the situation:
Two Boker Direkts - one PE, NIB for $35, the other CE, 95% cond. for $28

he sends me an email that he will take them for $50 shipped to Canada.

senoBDEC:
Wait... you want a US$10+ discount AND to ship to Canada on knives that cost around 40 new - not happening.

Please don't lowball me any more thanks.

He replies with an email that insults Americans in general, then me for lacking knowledge about geography and about our own United States Postal Service (see below).

403 boker: Lol just bought on amazon ... 40$ shipped to Canada ... Priority no less ... What lowball lol ... Silly Americans .... You know were that big land mass just above you right ? It's really not any more expensive to ship to Canada then it is to ship from socal to NYC ... Heard of usps? Good luck with sale ... Rofl

My reply (bit snippy, my bad) - note I'm shipping Priority, and when I have shipped to anywhere beyond the CONUS, it is more expensive - in fact, this is all noted in my FS thread.

senoBDEC
Well good for you.

Actually, it is a bit more expensive for those WITHOUT A VOLUME discount to ship to Canada.

And you WERE asking for a 15 dollar or so discount.

Glad you're so mature and easygoing,

Alex.

A Parthian shot (again, my bad).

P.S. learn to spell - your insults will read better.

Lol learn to spell its the internet ... guy ... chill ...
$25+$30 = $55 last time I checked I offered $50 ... How is that a $15 discount ... learn to add clown ... Fuck I hate internet tough guys ... wow. Chill out cry baby.

Hope he matures soon, and good luck to him. :jerkit:
For the Lord's sake - all I do is tell him to please not lowball me any more, and it turns into some sort of grade-school pissing match.

 

[CUTS LIKE A KRIS]

Sorry, but to me you started the attitude by calling his offer lowballing. A simple no thanks, or in lieu of that a counter offer would have gone over much better. It is called bartering, and it happens often on this forum. Many people start negotiations with a low offer and expect that a counteroffer may be given. Not to say that he did not throw some not as friendly comments, but you did little to help the situation. Remember that we all come from different cultures/backgrounds here and may expect different things. Your "bad" did encourage the escalation of the situation, so both of you have equal blame IMO.

Remember, politeness in transactions goes a long way, and bringing this out in the open may bring some negative onto yourself from your position in this. On the side- how is his "silly Americans" insulting but "child from Canada" is not?

I will be away from the forum for almost a week tomorrow morning but will look back on this, and if you would like- PM me for further discussion on the matter.

My opinion only and I have no stake in this at all.

 

[wolfmann601]

Sorry Dude but it seems like you chucked the first insult. I do not consider $50 shipped to be a lowball offer, it sure is lower than the original offer of $63 but not a lowball.

It went somewhat downhill from there but do you truly think it's bad enough to warrant a thread in GB&U? His comment "silly Americans" offends you that much; now that's thin skinned!!!

If you had simply said "No, thanks" upon his first offer there might have been another offer higher than the first. If not, Boker would have gone his merry way and you yours.

If you are impolite why would you expect Boker to remain a complete gentleman?

 

[Knife Crazied]

I think you both made this situation bad. I have shot people lower offers before and when they shout something back we keep working on a price until we BOTH agree. I think you both used your attitudes to your disadvantages. Ash

 

[jsciii]

I'm trying to sell a house, got an offer that was over $50k less than asking. I was shocked and my first thought was to let them know how insulted I was. But, after a while I realized there's nothing to be gained so instead sent a "thanks but no thanks".

Time to move on...

 

[senoBDEC]

Let me get this straight - I listed the knives at a fair amount less than I paid, he says he'll take them for about 25% less than I am asking, and I'm the rude one for saying please don't lowball me any more? How in the world is lowballing not insulting, but SAYING it's a lowball offer is insulting?

He did not OFFER $50, he said he would TAKE them for $50 to Canada IF they were new (which is, again described in my FS thread)

I am well aware I did nothing to help the situation as it deteriorated - why should I? And of course "child from Canada" is insulting - as it should be at this point. The guy kept emailing me childish insults to the point I had to block his email.

If it has just ended, I wouldn't feel so annoyed as to post this thread. But since it kept going...

Re: Cuts Like A Kris - perhaps your definition of insulting and mine are bit different, nonetheless, I respect your opinion and largely agree with you. And yes, I expect some negative to fall on me, as it should.

Does it merit a GB&U thread - well, perhaps, perhaps not. Mayhap others have or will deal with him in the future. If their experience is better than mine that would be great. If not....

 

[LorenzoL]

An offer is never insulting, that's the whole principle of doing business. It's better to have a low offer than no offer at all, right?
On the other hand, his "creative" arithmetic could be perceived as insulting to your intelligence.
All the rest that you described, like the insulting e-mails, is unforgivable.

 

[338375]

I would agree this went the wrong direction.

IMO, my first response would have been simple. Sorry, I can't do it for that price, but thanks for the offer....

Then made an offer back to him, unless you were firm on your price. Without the insults, you may have still been able to sell your knives and this thread wouldn't have been started.

Once the negativity starts, its all down hill from there.

 

[tendy]

I would agree this went the wrong direction.

IMO, my first response would have been simple. Sorry, I can't do it for that price, but thanks for the offer....

Then made an offer back to him, unless you were firm on your price. Without the insults, you may have still been able to sell your knives and this thread wouldn't have been started.

Once the negativity starts, its all down hill from there.

I have to agree with this statement. Also what one person considers lowball and what one may consider a fair offer, can be worlds apart. Honestly, I do not see the lowball offer, I see a fair offer made in which the prospective buyer wanted the item/s shipped for a certain price. I would agree that you both handled it poorly after that. I definately do not see this as belonging or rather warranting a G,B&U entry.

 

[frontline29]

I have to agree with this statement. Also what one person considers lowball and what one may consider a fair offer, can be worlds apart. Honestly, I do not see the lowball offer, I see a fair offer made in which the prospective buyer wanted the item/s shipped for a certain price. I would agree that you both handled it poorly after that. I definately do not see this as belonging or rather warranting a G,B&U entry.

It's all about bartering process...If the price is not marked as firm,then the offer is almost always lower then the price asked.Then you both continue to barter until you both can agree on a price.IMO theres no need to shoot down a "low ball offer" altogether,when the other person maybe sending a low offer in order to start the bargaining process.
just my 0.2 cents.

I definately do not see this as belonging or rather warranting a G,B&U entry.
I agree with you on this one Tendy.

 

[1kimo4u]

next time tell him it'll be $75 shipped to canada.

 

[thebrain]

I have no stake in any of this but here is my 2cents. I read once on a persons for sale thread(I do not remember who) "I do not get insulted by low offers it is your job to get the best price you can" I think that is the right way to go into a deal if it is a low offer you can say "sorry I can`t go that low thanks for the offer" then no one gets insulted and everyone can continue playing the game with unhurt feelings. I often ask a lower price as I feel some things are not nearly worth the retail new from a retailer and therefore not worth a small percentage off the full retail ,most people will give me a counter offer and off we go..