>>> 7" Test results are in! <<<

if i were you id be careful about those reviews or you might be going to the dr for a long series of rabies shots or getting some cold steel pulled out of your thigh, by the way...you should have gotten a phd and done research work for the government...it would have made you a lot more money.

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Thanks, Mike, I found your test results interesting. I suppose methodology can always be argued (and I suspect it will be), but I thought you shed some light on performance and useability in some real world applications. I look forward to more.

Jack
 
Thanks Mike. You hit the nail on the head when you stated what most of us use our knives for. I make no claims to being a SOF that uses his knife to slit Enemy throats. More like slitting open mail and doing yard work. And no, you certainly pulled no punches in your commentary!

Good job hamburger hands. Aloe works great on blisters. I'll send you a plant if you need one. Got many in my yard and they grow like weeds.

jeff
 
Loved every minute of it. Can't wait for the first month of the online knife mag

Sincerely,
Adam

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Mike,

Nice review...

Also, I don't want to start up a MD bashing again. But, Fallkniven guaranties its knives and will fix or replace them without regard as to how they were damaged (except for obvious abuse). Mad Dog Knives has said that they will take care of any problems also, but we know otherwise. Maybe his policies have changed, but I wouldn't want to spend $350 to find out.

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I absolutely love it! Well done indeed. More,more,more!!!
 
Very interesting... Now, how about a test in the most brutal, unforgiving environment in ths solar system... the ordinary household kitchen. I swear, a grader blade would be reduced to rubble if the non-knife faction in my household could heft one (well, the kitchen would be rubble, too). Oh, well, I enjoy sharpening them every week.
 
Fantastic testing, Mike!

Just curious, though. As I've not been in the know long enough to, well, know, who is it that Camillus OEM's for, as Mike mentioned?

Again, things like that just tickle my curiosity.

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Love the head to head style. This is a well organized page turner. Interesting results which cannot be ignored when it comes time to spend my dime.

Thanks Mike for suffering through the blisters and rigors of testing.
 
Mike,

I really enjoyed reading your test results!! I like your no BS way of expressing yourself and telling it like it is!! I want more!!
 
Several things here:

The tests seem quite fair, at least as far as they went. As Mike says, he didn't get deep into the "combat usability issues", I think at some point it'd be fun to follow up in that area.

The Mad Dog "chipping" seems unusual. I feel I can say with some certainty that the pine chopping as described would NOT come under Kevin's opinion of "abuse". Mike, I'd really like for you to ship that Dog back to Kevin and have him take a look at the edge; it's barely possible we're looking at a bad heat-treat specimen.

Naturally, with the chipping it would fail the cardboard test - unless you resharpened it first? Clarification there would be appreciated.

Finally, here's my suggestions for a series of "combat functionality tests" which, along with what's been done, would really add to our knowlege:

Time how long it take a half dozen people to shift it between forward and reverse grips and back again. Take the same half-dozen random people (of different sizes), have them throw the tip forward into a Saber grip with the entire arm straight WITHOUT LOOKING - then have them hold it at that point, and see if the tip lines up perfectly with the forearm bones...or measure how far off it is, in degrees. Measure total weight, then measure the balance point - in this size range you want a dead neutral feel.

Now get hardcore. Same six people, same "time the grip shift test" - do it four or five times each...except dip all hands in vegetable oil first! You're looking for dropped blade counts! This tests grip design and feel, and the grip's stability even if covered in blood, a disgusting but necessary concept.

Drop each piece tip-first into an old military flak jacket or other hard-to-pierce material stretched horizontally. This will measure stabbing penetration seperate from human strength, although it'll slightly favor heavier pieces.

This would make for a good start, at least in comparing a bunch of "tip control style" fighters. Heavy-smash fighters are a different sort of beast altogether, typified by Khukuris.

Jim
 
Am in the market for a good fixed blade so I really appreciate your no BS test. One suggestion, please add a Strider knife to the next go round. After reading their forum on the other site for a while, I am almost convinced. If they are as good as they claim, they could give the Busse a run for the money. How about it Mike?
 
Mike, thanks for the clarification on the cardboard. That makes sense. Are you going to send the Dog back to Kevin for an edge eval? If you deliberately took the grip apart to see how it works, then it's understood there's no warrantee at stake - but I'd still like his opinion on the edge.

Remember, I did some pretty heavy pine chopping with mine at K'nugen1 and so did many other people, we didn't see any edge damage or even dullness. I'm not doubting your tests, but I do question that particular Dog.

Jim
 
Well the test makes the Fallkniven the winner in my eyes. Nowhere in the real world do they cost anywhere near $160--its more like $90. The discounts one finds for a Busse Basic are more like $25-30 off of list. That one can almost buy three Fallknivens for the price of one Busse #9, not to mention the customs and their $300+ price tag, I'll go with the Swede and its easiy availability, no hassle return policy, and they now come with Kydex sheathes for the asking.

The admittedly minor chipping encountered in the chopping test, was in all likelihood due to the fine edge put on the knife from the factory. In a real world "survival chopping" exercise, that sort of cosmetic damage is a non-issue and easily corrected with a sharpening tool, even if it happens to be a smooth rock. I'll bet it would have also been the best hammering tool of the bunch.

I know of no one with a modicum of sanity who would use any of the knives tested on any inches of cardboard, a job more suited to a four dollar box knife. Why not strike up a relationship with a butcher or other meat preparer, get some scrap product and cut some meat like one might encounter in the real field?

I'll buy a Busse when I feel comfortable putting all my eggs in just one basket. I guess it is just the thing for hostile packaging or maurading manila rope. I'd rather have multiple copies of a very competent knife than afford just one non-expendable "super-knife"

FWIW

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Thank you Mike for taking the time and going through the pain to run this test. I have be waiting for you to heal and be able to do it. Glad to see you have recovered well. The test was a real world test for most of us.Like you said the fighting aspect I hope never comes into play. It does help to have this information when you purchase a knife. Well done and thank you. Bill
 
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