A case for the 10mm?

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Fieldtestornothing

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Okay guys, here is the issue.

I carry a glock 35 (personal choice over a issued 22) for duty, a glock 36 as a CCW gun. In the woods I tend to carry either one or a .357 as a multi purpose firearm. When hunting I usually carry a J-frame .357 in addition to my hunting arm. So my question is:

I use and like both .40 and .357 but I wish I could have a bridge for both power and capacity. My question is about the 10mm glock. Does anyone have experience with the cartridge? I plan on reloading on a dillon 1050 so ammo shouldn't be a huge concern.

Last week I shot a charging hog that wandered into my camp in Texas. I shot it twice in the shoulder with my Glock 35 loaded with 165HP's. The angle was akward but both shots were text book. It weighed about 135lbs (small for the area). Thank god it was enough to turn it's charge and it ran through camp and died 100m out. It made me seriously think about the .40 cartridge and it's use against animals in my area.

Also in the area I camp/hunt/fish/live in Arizona I am running into the increased threat of border violence including the threat of Marijuana grows. So the possibility of running into a bad situation while rare is a possibility.

So I want a weapon that will have enough stopping power for animals up to black bear and retain enough capacity and familiarity (Glock for me) to be effective against people.

Any suggestions? Any first hand experiences with the cartridge and weapon system? I have girly hands by the way is the sf a possibility? How would you compare the recoil to a .357 with decent loads?

Thanks in advance.
 
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A friend of mine has a Glock 29 the sub compact 10mm,he said it's not bad on recoil. I own a Glock 21sf,I'm still waiting for a 20sf.. As far as power goes the 10mm has it.
 
As you probably know the 40 was introduced because the 10mm, which had been approved for government agencies caused problems for agents with smaller hands. You would have to grab onto the the full size Glock 10 to see how it fits you. Recoil wise, it is going to be up a bit from the 40 but not enough to cause most people a problem. The recoil and the hitting power are going to be less than the 357 but should be enough for medium game. I had the full size Glock 10MM. In fact I have had all of the full size Glocks models. The Baby Glocks are a joke to me as my hands are huge.

I don't know if you can still get the S&W 610 Revolver but I had two of those, They shot both the 40 and the 10MM and was the most accurate revolver that I have ever shot. Interestingly enough, it shot the 40's best.

If you buy a 10MM glock, Please, heed their warning about shooting reloads.
 
I've shot 10mm's at the range. They have (what seemed to me) a very sharp recoil, but it's not hard hitting, if that makes sense. If you have big hands, then the choice seems easy to me, if you like glocks. The recoil is less than a .357 to me, but the stopping power is probably a little less also, although I've read that the 10mm is no slouch.

I would think that a .357 or full sized 10 would be right up your alley. I have medium sized hands, so I go .357, the big glocks, I just can't get a good grip on them. The .45's are even worse (large grip), I'll stick with the 1911...

But I do like the glocks!
 
Glocks are the way to go ! I CCDW a Glock 19 :D Don't laugh at my little 9mm, I use it very well :cool: Any way I like the tried & true .45ACP, got some knockdown behind it ;) but I still think it's hard to beat the good 'Ol .357mag ;)
 
How was the penetration on the hog? If that was an issue, you might consider loading non-HPs.

Don't have any experience with the 10mm though, sorry.
 
Fieldtestornothing said:
I use and like both .40 and .357 but I wish I could have a bridge for both power and capacity. My question is about the 10mm glock.
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Depending on who you ask and who's ballistic data you use, the 10mm (at least in its full power loads) can actually be more powerful than the .357, and the much more commonly available mild 10mm loads are are pretty much equal to the .40, so I don't really see the advantage in getting a 10mm, if you already have the .40 and .357, if what you are looking for is something in between.

Also in the area I camp/hunt/fish/live in Arizona I am running into the increased threat of border violence including the threat of Marijuana grows. So the possibility of running into a bad situation while rare is a possibility.
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If you are looking for a SD firearm, there is a reason the 10mm never really caught on. The full-power loads are considered too powerful for quick, controlled follow up shots and as I said above the milder loads offer no advantage over the .40
 
I've fired most of the Glocks except the 10mm family. I have fired an older Colt Delta in 10mm and the recoil wasn't that bad. You're no stranger to Glocks, so that's a bonus and with enough practice you should have no issues with fast and accurate follow ups.

I think you have a strong argument. Pretty shocking that your .40 didn't do more damage, but real-world ballistics remind us that their are always more factors at play than diameter, velocity and bullet composition. Even good shot placement is still subject to angles, bone mass and several other factors. I've seen a 200+pound boar dropped by a .22LR and I've seen an insurgent limp away after several .308 hits (I didn't see the end result, but he didn't last long though).

I wonder too if your JHP's didn't penetrate enough to hit vitals. My CCW is stoked with HP's, but I usually carry SWC's or even hard-cast rounds in the field.

Now, your situation would be reason enough for me to pick up a 10mm, but I would also look at what type of round your carrying even if you end up with a 10mm. The good news is that you can use the same bullets as your .40 and the Glock's will handle some pretty stout field loads if you go that route. IMHO, the 10mm is probably the king for power and capacity in a handgun; I often thing about getting a Witness, Dan Wesson or Glock in 10mm...However if I'm heading to brown bear country, I'd pack my Redhawk .44 mag:D

ROCK6
 
I EDC a Glock 29, and have a field rig for it. I don't know how the SF stacks up, but I have medium hands, and while the double-stack grip is blocky, it's not uncomfortable. I highly recommend a Pearce grip extension, it helps a lot. As far as the recoil, it's snappy. Noticeably more than a .40, but not as bad as a .357. And from a ballistics standpoint, it stacks up very well against the larger magnum revolvers (comparable to a .41 mag, if I'm recalling correctly). Should git-r-done vs anything up to black bear size. And it sure is nice to have a 10-round capacity in a small package, with easy reloads (in case of attacking bear-zombie hordes).
 
I'm a big guy with big hands, and as much as the regular-size Glocks fit me like they were made for me, the big Glocks (20, 21) feel like a chunk of 2x4 in my hand... just not right. They feel too big for some reason. I sold my Model 21 and settled on a Model 22 (.40 S&W). My neighbor/shooting buddy also sold his Model 20 because he didn't care for the ergos, either.

But if you want the capability of the full-house 10mm cartridge, and you can make your hand fit it, don't hesitate to pick up a Glock Model 20! (Unless, of course, you find a nice Colt Delta Elite!) The nice, wide backstrap of the Model 20 really tames the snappy 10mm recoil.

Stay sharp,
desmobob
 
I have shot a Glock 20 a bit and it's one of the very few guns left on my "STILL MUST GET" list.

A friend of mine has one and I really enjoy shooting it...not the harsh snappy recoil of the .40, more like a combination of .45acp thud and hot loaded .357 crack, if that makes any sense. I find the .40 really jarring, but the 10mm is more power and much more of a wham than a crack. Man! I sound like I've been having more of the crack than the wham here.

Anyway I like your train of thought...I would be pretty confident with a 10mm on blackies, and morbidly fascinated with a 10mm on people.

Thinking back, I believe the friend of mine with the 20 was running max loads of blue dot behind hard cast JHPs, can't remember the grains. But he is a crazy SOB whose parents owned an independent explosives manufacturing company when he was growing up, and he runs max loads of everything, in everything.

As a joke he used to compete in IPSC with a comped desert eagle in .44mag, also using max loads of blue dot. Funny guy.

Anyway the 10mm glocks sure do it for me, and generally speaking I am not a glock guy...mostly own 1911s and revolvers.
 
You said... "girly hands". LMAO... my hands are medium sized and I don't find the large framed glocks comfortable. I had a Glock 30... but traded it due to the grip size.

So... we all agree that a Glock with .357 mag balistics would be FANTASTIC! Good news is... you can have one for a little more than $100 bucks. :eek:

One caliber that has not been mentioned is the one I carry when in hog country (and many other places)... the glock 32 in .357 sig. I carry it with Hornady 147 grn @1225 fps. Compare that to the .40 S&W 165 grn @950-1050 and I think you have a significant advantage in the .357 sig.

Furthermore, compare the .357 sig to the .357 magnum. Take the aforementioned .357 sig, compared to a 158 grn .357 mag (158 grn @ apprx 1200 fps, and what you have, essentially, is .357 magnum balistics in a semi-auto frame (with the .357 sig).

Now... here is the good news! All you need to do is buy a .357 sig bbl for your G35. It will drop in and work flawlessly. It even uses the same mags. While your at it, buy a Storm Lake 9mm conversion bbl and you can shoot that too (but it does require 9mm magazines). It works flawlessly as well.

So there you have it. :thumbup: A high capacity .357 magnum in the gun you already own! :thumbup:
 
I regularly shoot a Delta Elite customized by Mark Morris. A very accurate round with not much more recoil than a 45ACP. No experience with the Glock 20 though..
The full power loads are definitely suitable for hunting, my buddy regularly hunts Russian boar with his 10mm.
The gunsmiths I deal with always advise against 10mm reloads, cant remember why, Ive only used factory ammo with no hiccups.
 
Wouldn't you need to swap out recoil springs as well?


kdstrick said:
You said... "girly hands". LMAO... my hands are medium sized and I don't find the large framed glocks comfortable. I had a Glock 30... but traded it due to the grip size.

So... we all agree that a Glock with .357 mag balistics would be FANTASTIC! Good news is... you can have one for a little more than $100 bucks. :eek:

One caliber that has not been mentioned is the one I carry when in hog country (and many other places)... the glock 32 in .357 sig. I carry it with Hornady 147 grn @1225 fps. Compare that to the .40 S&W 165 grn @950-1050 and I think you have a significant advantage in the .357 sig.

Furthermore, compare the .357 sig to the .357 magnum. Take the aforementioned .357 sig, compared to a 158 grn .357 mag (158 grn @ apprx 1200 fps, and what you have, essentially, is .357 magnum balistics in a semi-auto frame (with the .357 sig).

Now... here is the good news! All you need to do is buy a .357 sig bbl for your G35. It will drop in and work flawlessly. It even uses the same mags. While your at it, buy a Storm Lake 9mm conversion bbl and you can shoot that too (but it does require 9mm magazines). It works flawlessly as well.

So there you have it. :thumbup: A high capacity .357 magnum in the gun you already own! :thumbup:
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TWBryan said:
Wouldn't you need to swap out recoil springs as well?
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Believe it or not, no. The .40 and the .357 sig use the same recoil spring in the Glock. It works great... just pull one bbl out and put the other one in. When I bought a storm lake conversion bbl to shoot 9 mm through it, I thought it would be necessary, but it isn't. It functions flawlessly.:thumbup:

One note... on the 9mm conversion bbl's I did a LOT of research before buying. According to what I read the Storm lake conversion bbl's are the way to go. Some brands do not function as well. Mine has worked flawlessly and is as accurate as my G19.
 
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