A case for the 10mm?

I have a lot of experience with the 10mm in the Glock 20 platform. It is extremely accurate and with Buffalo Bore or Double Tap ammo it will easily surpass the 357.

When doing predator control and culling work in Texas, I used a 357 and a Glock 20 as my sidearm. Side by side comparison was a no contest. The 10mm killed hogs up to 500lbs. with authority. Most broadside shots would exit.

Getting a 200 grain bullet through a boar hog with a up to 2 inches of gristle plate can be a major challenge for a handgun but the 10 will do it.

I've killed coyotes, hogs,deer,mountain lion and even a very amped up steer with the Glock 20. I love the round and the gun when loaded to original specs.

A 200 GRAIN bullet at 1250fps is the cats meow. Recoil is not bad at all. I was able to put 6 rounds into a charging hog from about 15 paces to 3 paces and settle a bad situation. My trapping partner wounded it with a 270 and we had to dig him out of the brush. I opted for a handgun in super thick brush,just couldn't see let alone swing my scoped 7mm mag in that type of cover.

Only handgun rounds I would consider for hogs besides the 10mm would be the 41 mag,44 mag and a hot loaded 45 Colt but the very reliable Glock beats the because of the mag capacity.

Hope this helps from a long time lurker.
 
snareaman said:
I have a lot of experience with the 10mm in the Glock 20 platform. It is extremely accurate and with Buffalo Bore or Double Tap ammo it will easily surpass the 357.

When doing predator control and culling work in Texas, I used a 357 and a Glock 20 as my sidearm. Side by side comparison was a no contest. The 10mm killed hogs up to 500lbs. with authority. Most broadside shots would exit.

Getting a 200 grain bullet through a boar hog with a up to 2 inches of gristle plate can be a major challenge for a handgun but the 10 will do it.

I've killed coyotes, hogs,deer,mountain lion and even a very amped up steer with the Glock 20. I love the round and the gun when loaded to original specs.

A 200 GRAIN bullet at 1250fps is the cats meow. Recoil is not bad at all. I was able to put 6 rounds into a charging hog from about 15 paces to 3 paces and settle a bad situation. My trapping partner wounded it with a 270 and we had to dig him out of the brush. I opted for a handgun in super thick brush,just couldn't see let alone swing my scoped 7mm mag in that type of cover.

Only handgun rounds I would consider for hogs besides the 10mm would be the 41 mag,44 mag and a hot loaded 45 Colt but the very reliable Glock beats the because of the mag capacity.

Hope this helps from a long time lurker.
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This totally mirrors my field hunts. The full load 10mm ANCHORS mid size game. Additionally custom or hand loads with a light 135 grain JHP can actually duplicate the 357 135 grain JHP long considered the king of the street.
 
Hey Snareaman... thanks for the info! And welcome aboard...

I have been reading up on the 10mm since this thread posted and all I have to say is.... wow! My only question is: why hasn't this caliber been more successful? It is a screamer! :eek:

A while back in an issue of American Handgunner magazine, Ted Nugent killed a wart hog in Africa at 100 or so paces with his Glock 10mm using a Cor Bon 135 grn @ 1400 fps. One shot in the shoulder.

I should probably own one... ;) :D
 
10mm can be great if you handload. Otherwise ammo is hard to find in my neck of the woods (as is most right now)
 
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I regularly shoot a Delta Elite customized by Mark Morris.
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DUDE! I've met him. I meet him regularly through my work but can't afford his work. Not much of a 1911 man either but I digress...

Fieldtestornothing: The problem could very well be that good people hunting rounds don't often make good animal hunting rounds. And good hunting rounds don't always cycle through semi-autos reliably.

I've always heard that the 10mm was intended to be a .45 magnum. But it was hard on guns and officers so the .40 came out. Sort of a 10mm lite. If you get old school 10mm rounds they will fill the bill for what you want. Just be sure the bullets are designed for animal hunting and cycle through your weapon of choice.

I've shot a buddy's compact Glock 10mm. I've got big hands so it wasn't too hard to hand onto but I much prefer my S&W 1006.

I wanted some handgun rounds for my .357 when I went hunting last year, last ditch efforts with a bear type of thing. My gunshop recommended a hard cast flat nosed bullet. The owner said they are designed to turn into whatever they hit and bore in instead of glancing off like a typical bullet might.
 
The 10 will shoot much heavier/higher sectional density bullets than the .357 SIG. DoubleTap makes some nice hardcast 200g bullets, and some plated ones also, that seem like they would be the ticket for making the most of the round.

Doubletap also makes some 200g for .40, which are only 100fps or so behind the 10mm. For 40 bucks or so and shipping, you could try those out. I really wouldn't expect a huge difference in penetration, due to the solid bullets. See how large a stump you could shoot through with the heavy bullets in the .40, and if that makes you comfortable or not. You might grab some for the .357 as well, and see what it does. If you don't like either of them, the 10 probably won't do it for you either.
 
Excellent advice all, I appreciate it. I'm going to continue my research and go test fire a 10mm G20 sf and see how it marries to me.
 
snareaman said:
I have a lot of experience with the 10mm in the Glock 20 platform. It is extremely accurate and with Buffalo Bore or Double Tap ammo it will easily surpass the 357.

When doing predator control and culling work in Texas, I used a 357 and a Glock 20 as my sidearm. Side by side comparison was a no contest. The 10mm killed hogs up to 500lbs. with authority. Most broadside shots would exit.

Getting a 200 grain bullet through a boar hog with a up to 2 inches of gristle plate can be a major challenge for a handgun but the 10 will do it.

I've killed coyotes, hogs,deer,mountain lion and even a very amped up steer with the Glock 20. I love the round and the gun when loaded to original specs.

A 200 GRAIN bullet at 1250fps is the cats meow. Recoil is not bad at all. I was able to put 6 rounds into a charging hog from about 15 paces to 3 paces and settle a bad situation. My trapping partner wounded it with a 270 and we had to dig him out of the brush. I opted for a handgun in super thick brush,just couldn't see let alone swing my scoped 7mm mag in that type of cover.

Only handgun rounds I would consider for hogs besides the 10mm would be the 41 mag,44 mag and a hot loaded 45 Colt but the very reliable Glock beats the because of the mag capacity.

Hope this helps from a long time lurker.
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Great. Now I have another gun that I "have" to buy. Thanks a lot... :D
 
I hit a 300+ lb wild boar with a 10mm Silver Tip out of a Glock 10 (with hunting barrel). The boar went about 10ft and that was it.

Loaded right it beats the .357mag and moves into .41mag territory.

I think it makes for a great woods gun if you like Glocks. You have a LOT of powerful rounds in an easily packed platform. I really like a .357 revolver, but think twice the # of more powerful rounds is an argument which is hard to beat.
 
Sorry bout that!!!

I actually bought my G20 after my Kimber PRO CDPII was stolen in a burglary while in hunting camp. Needed a replacement gun fast and went with a $350 barely used G20 just in case the culprits hit us again while we were out working.

Never looked back at the 45 again after I killed 5 hogs with the 10mm.

I shot a 300lber with my 45 and after I emptied the mag I had to climb a fence to reload to finish him off. That's a story for another time...
 
I bought a Glock 20 over 17 years ago.. Its still one of my favorite pistols. With the right load you pretty much have a hi cap 41 magnum, that will work no matter what..
Even Jeff Cooper said it would be his choice in a jungle environment if he could only have a pistol. That being said if Im in bear territory I'll strap on the Ruger Alaskan 454;)
 
Any Cal. said:
The 10 will shoot much heavier/higher sectional density bullets than the .357 SIG. DoubleTap makes some nice hardcast 200g bullets, and some plated ones also, that seem like they would be the ticket for making the most of the round.

Doubletap also makes some 200g for .40, which are only 100fps or so behind the 10mm. For 40 bucks or so and shipping, you could try those out. I really wouldn't expect a huge difference in penetration, due to the solid bullets. See how large a stump you could shoot through with the heavy bullets in the .40, and if that makes you comfortable or not. You might grab some for the .357 as well, and see what it does. If you don't like either of them, the 10 probably won't do it for you either.
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Be careful with the Double Tap in the 10mm Glock 29. My buddy has one and we were out shooting Double Tap 10mm. He had a KB. The cartridge failed because it was not fully supported by the Glock Barrel. I would not recommend Double Tap 10mm in a Glock.

Other than that, the 10mm Glock kicks ass. I have a Glock 19 and the 29 is really not that much more stout. With the extra weight, the recoil is minimal.

The ability to easily switch between 40 and 357 sig with just a barrel swap is freakin awesome. You can practice with 40 and use the 10mm for game day to save money.
 
have shot both the 20 and 29. actually preferred the 29... perhaps because i'm such a big fan of the 30. an aside, still agree with one of Ayoob's old comments that the 30 is one of the, if not the, most accurate glocks out of the box.

anyways, if you're in extra thick brush then the 29 will do you just proper.

yet another aside... i understand the merits of barrel change and such to get a different feel and save money. IMHO to practice with .40 and shoot .355 makes zero sense. practice with what you carry so when the time comes you're the best you can be. if you can't afford the sig round but enjoy its attributes more than the .40, then get yourself a good 9. as a previous post stated about the g19... don't laugh. the 9mm gets it done with proper shot placement (in the end that's what it's all about for most 2 legged predators)
 
snareaman said:
...I've killed coyotes, hogs,deer,mountain lion and even a very amped up steer with the Glock 20. I love the round and the gun when loaded to original specs....
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Snare,

I got the G20 primarily for use against wild critters, so it's good to know it will do the job. What were the circumstances for shooting the lion? I don't imagine you were hunting, as you'd probably choose a rifle of some kind. I ask because mountain lions are something I worry about when out in the woods, and would like to hear your experience in dealing with them. How did you shoot it? How quickly did it go down?

I read a story about a man in Sequim, WA who had to shoot a lion that attacked him. Towards the end of his story here, he says he shot it 8 times with .40 cal. hollow points, and it still ran some distance before dying. I hope my 10mm rounds will have a much more telling effect on any nasty cats.
 
I have a 21 as does my buddy and we got the idea to make 10mm out of them as we wanted a new project. The Glock rep was in the store we worked at and said all we had to do was change the barrel and mag and we were good to go. He said changing the spring wasn't necessary. We obtained Lone Wolf barrels for the project. We each purchased and installed Trijicon red dot optics to replace the rear sights and had the grips reduced at Robar for $160 each.

The pistols shot great. I have a 6" barrel on mine and my buddy got the standard length barrel. I purchased a four box sampler of 10mm from Double Tap and found the cast loads shot the best.

If ever I need a woods gun with high capacity the Glock will be the one I turn to. By the way, the grip reduction was well worth the money. It feels wonderful and so much better than the original. I have big hands and wear x-large hands but the G21 doesn't feel comfortable. The new grip shape does.

John

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If you want stopping power then you need a rifle or shotgun as all handgun cartridges (I mean all) are ineffective. A handgun is only intended to fight your way back to the rifle or shotgun you should have kept with you in the first place.

This nonsense about a 357 being more powerful than a 40 or a 10mm being more powerful than a .45 is all academic. Take any of these conventional handgun rounds, throw them into a bag, mix 'em up and then take your pick....they all perform about the same with no significant difference in stopping two or four legged critters unless you hit the CNS.

Let's face it folks...handgun's drill small holes in and out....the only difference is the higher velocity handguns drill the same size holes a wee bit faster. You're NOT going to get any more stopping power because a 40 cal round goes a few hundred feet per second faster than another 40 cal round...all you'll get is more penetration. Which in the wild is not a bad thing. If you want something with the ability to put down game or predators then you really need to "kick it up a little" with a rifle.

As a general rule one ought to carry the largest caliber handgun one can afford to carry and can competently & confidently shoot well under stress. But will it provide a significant advantage? No it will not...an advantage in more penetration yes, but stopping power no. Let's face it...if there really was one cartridge or caliber that is the undisputed king of the forest then don't you think we'd all be carrying the same thing? But because these handguns are so "iffy" in stopping threats and game the debate rages forward.

Anyway, handgun make small hole in (letting air in) and a small hole out (letting blood out) de-equalizing the pressure that causes the thoracic cavity to work....it is the same principle the old time big bore Sharps blackpowder cartridge rifles used to do - punch a 45 caliber hole all the way through a 2000 pound American Bison (buffalo) causing the buffalo to wander for a spell until it collapsed and suffocated.

Want to see what a "super powerful" handgun round will do when someone does something stupid like re-holsters using two hands instead of one and crosses the muzzle over their own hand while having their finger on the trigger...look how powerful this handgun is at contact distance. Had this been a 10mm, the wound would look the same - a small hole in and the same size hole going out.

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Quirt said:
If you want stopping power then you need a rifle or shotgun as all handgun cartridges (I mean all) are ineffective. A handgun is only intended to fight your way back to the rifle or shotgun you should have kept with you in the first place.
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I think this is a gross oversimplification and very misleading. Sure, a shotgun or mid-large caliber rifle is going to be much more powerful than any handgun, and much more likely to take down an opponent, but the fact is that handguns regularly "stop" opponents, whether through death or incapacitation. Sure they are less effective than a rifle or shotgun in that regard it true, saying they are ineffective in that regard is just not true.

This nonsense about a 357 being more powerful than a 40 or a 10mm being more powerful than a .45 is all academic. Take any of these conventional handgun rounds, throw them into a bag, mix 'em up and then take your pick....they all perform about the same with no significant difference in stopping two or four legged critters unless you hit the CNS.
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Statistical studies by several different researchers of litterally thousands of shootings indicate that this is far from the case. Bullet diameter, velocity and construction all have significant impact (no pun intended!) on relative effectivness.

Let's face it folks...handgun's drill small holes in and out....the only difference is the higher velocity handguns drill the same size holes a wee bit faster.
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While this is true for FMJ ammo, properly designed modern hollowpoint ammo reliably expands at handgun velocities and produced much more than caliber diameter tissue distruption.

Want to see what a "super powerful" handgun round will do when someone does something stupid like re-holsters using two hands instead of one and crosses the muzzle over their own hand while having their finger on the trigger...look how powerful this handgun is at contact distance.
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Hardly relevent. Neither handgun nor rifle ammo is going to have time to expand and dump its energy while traveling through less than an inch of flesh. All this shows is that even with good ammo, bullet placement matters.
 
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