A.G. Russell's Regard (or Lack Thereof) For Cold Steel

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I was sorting through some odds and ends yesterday and ran across a Spring 1990 A.G. Russell catalog. As I flipped through it, what did I see but two Cold Steel products. Now this was a surprise to me because I didn't remember A.G. Russell ever carrying Cold Steel. As I read the ad copy, it became clear WHY I don't remember other examples of Cold Steel products in his catalog. Check it out:

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Have you ever seen such a reluctant, half-hearted endorsement? So Lynn Thompson (whom Russell won't even bother to name) peddles mostly manure, huh? The Trail Master doesn't really do all the "silly" things that the ads claim? The Japanese version of the Tanto (which was the first rendering and preceded any American version by several years) is the peer of the Buck-made version that it "replaced?" And this is from a guy who's supposed to be hawking the knives for his own profit!

Then I notice on the very page previous that he has the temerity to say this about the SOG Tigershark:

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Wow, that's rich! The SOG Tigershark outperforms all other knives its size, including the Trail Master? Really? In what areas, A.G.? Have any videos to back up that kind of generalization? I also noticed there was no mention of the fact that the Trail Master was a pioneering design that laid the groundwork for the Tigershark and many other Kraton-handled bowie copycat designs that followed.

What really flabbergasted me about this was two things. First, I was surprised to see this attitude about Cold Steel, in general, and Lynn Thompson, specifically, from A.G. Russell, who always struck me as being interested fundamentally in knife quality and performance. I just assumed that he would have been impressed by the early Proof videos and not put off by Lynn's industry-wide challenges. So much for that assumption!

Second, I was amazed to see this kind of back-handed derision in 1990, a mere ten years after Cold Steel opened its doors. I guess Lynn's brash approach to competitive, performance-based advertising tweaked noses within the field pretty quickly! You'd think that people would've welcomed the adrenaline shot that Cold Steel brought to an industry that had become stale with Buck 110 knock-offs and commemorative "Bowie" knives with images of a guy in a coonskin cap etched on the blades!

I guess your contibutions to knife innovation tend to get forgotten when you make enemies out of The Establishment....

-Steve

P.S. - Anyone able to confirm that Buck manufactured the original Recon Tantos? This is the first I've ever seen that in print. A.G. Russell tends to be an authority on such things, though.
 
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Too bad there is so much animosity out there for Cold Steel and it's products. Their products are not for everyone, but many will find that CS fills a niche or two that others won't touch. Also, it seems pretty obvious that the CS firm has been an innovator in the business, not just with their products, but with their marketing. Whatever CS has been doing, they must have done something right, to have been steadily in the game for something like 35 years. Again, too bad. But, I guess in the end, I ignore most of the political fighting by these companies, and strictly look for the products that interest me. As long as I (the customer) am treated right, I will continue doing business with companies that sell me products I need or desire ☺
 
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25 years ago? You're just getting around to disagreeing with the ad?

Heck, I don't put a lot of stock into things I myself said 25 years ago.
 
I think that all this really proves is that AG Russell and Spencer Frazer were friends.
And AG Russell and Lynn Thomspon were obviously not. That's what the bias is all about.
I don't know if anyone ever test compared a Carbon V TM with a SK5 Tigershark back then
but I can't imagine there'd be an enormous difference between two similar sized carbon steel
bowies.
 
I was at AG Russell last week. I hinted about Cold Steel products and the salesman went on to say they both sued each other some years back
 
Well, he did actually say they were good knives lol...
My guess is it was a personality clash. On the other hand, you gotta give A.G credit for taking a personal stand on a product, because he is in the business to make money,
but he obviously feels his convictions towards CS is worth more than increased revenue from the sale of their products...

I know the CS style of advertising works for a certain portion of the buyers( i.e young mall ninjas ), but is a turn off to those of us who are not.
LT laughs all the way to the bank every week though using the "test videos". I will admit I recently watched the new video comparing the old AUS-8 and the new CTS-XHP
folders. It was easier to watch than some of the other videos. It basically focused on the knives and cutting. No meatcycles :D

That said, I like some of their products, and have had zero issues with any of them.
 
I like Cold Steel, and I like A.G. Russell. Whatever experiences they've had with one another or opinions they have (or had) about one another are between them. Heck, it's not uncommon in life to like or be friends with two people who don't like each other. You have a good relationship with each, you just don't hang out with both of them at the same time. :D
 
The Tigershark would get outperformed by the Kabar Large Heavy Bowie, It is not even in the same stratosphere as the Trail Master

I agree. I just recently dug out and re-watched the original "Proof" video from 1987 (not sure if this is the very first, but it's got to be close*). In it, Dan Maragni (NOT Lynn Thompson) puts the Trail Master through what I believe were all of the existing ABS tests of the time (hemp rope cutting, 2x4 chopping, vice flex, anvil horn strikes), as well the point-strength test in a maple block that I think was a Cold Steel original test. The TM passed them all with flying colors. You can even see the surprise on Maragni's face after a couple of the successes, despite the fact that he helped design the knife and dictate its production quality!

I think that all this really proves is that AG Russell and Spencer Frazer were friends.
And AG Russell and Lynn Thomspon were obviously not. That's what the bias is all about.

Valid point. I didn't think about Russell's relationship with Frazer, but SOG products remain in the A.G. Russell catalog to this day. Russell identified himself as a "Proprietor" in the Morseth Knife Company back in 1990, despite not selling any Morseths in his catalog at the time. He may have had a vested interest in trying to keep Cold Steel from gaining a foothold in the large outdoor knife market for which the Trail Master was becoming the benchmark.

I was at AG Russell last week. I hinted about Cold Steel products and the salesman went on to say they both sued each other some years back

That is very interesting! I'd like to know what that was all about. CS, are you allowed to offer us any insights?

I know the CS style of advertising works for a certain portion of the buyers( i.e young mall ninjas ), but is a turn off to those of us who are not.

Sorry, I can't agree with you at all on this. I'm neither young nor a "mall ninja," and I love watching all of the Cold Steel videos. For one thing, they're fun. For another, it's amazing to see the performance Cold Steel is wringing out of its products. And, most importantly to me, they instill in me a degree of confidence that my Cold Steel knives won't fail me should I ever genuinely need to push them beyond what I would normally ask of a knife. And I think THAT is what Lynn Thompson has always sought to promote by producing them.

So, no one knows whether Buck made the first Recon Tantos, huh? If true (and I assume that it is), it's an interesting footnote in Cold Steel's and Buck's histories.

-Steve

* Subsequent to my submission of this post, I learned that the 1987 video was the very first Proof video (though Cold Steel didn't call it that back then; the "Proof" title wasn't used until the 1996 video).
 
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I've heard that story as well, and it's a fact that the first Recon Tantos 1987/88 were marked Made in USA. But I haven't seen anything to substantiate that Buck made them. So far anyway.
 
25 years ago? You're just getting around to disagreeing with the ad?

Heck, I don't put a lot of stock into things I myself said 25 years ago.

Don't really see the point in dredging up stuff that old. A lot can change in 25 years.
 
That is very interesting! I'd like to know what that was all about. CS, are you allowed to offer us any insights?

Yes, I'd also like to know, maybe we'll get more details than the last lawsuit?
 
I agree. I just recently dug out and re-watched the original "Proof" video from 1987 (not sure if this is the very first, but it's got to be close). In it, Dan Maragni (NOT Lynn Thompson) puts the Trail Master through what I believe were all of the existing ABS tests of the time (hemp rope cutting, 2x4 chopping, vice flex, anvil horn strikes), as well the point-strength test in a maple block that I think was a Cold Steel original test. The TM passed them all with flying colors. You can even see the surprise on Maragni's face after a couple of the successes, despite the fact that he helped design the knife and dictate its production quality!

Few people know about Maragni's involvement with the Trailmaster, it seems to have been lost with the passing of Carbon V.

Maragni was a brilliant Bladesmith and forged some of the best cutting knives I have ever seen.

He spent almost a year perfecting the heat treat for CS on the TM and when it was released it really was the very best large production knife made anywhere. I say that even though I am not a CS fan, but it must be recognised.

No doubt A.G. had some beef with L.T. and decided to get one over on him with that catalogue entry. A.G. also seems to have the steel incorrectly described in the catalogue entry. I seem to recall at the time that Dan told me that Carbon V was a 1095 variant. I could be mistaken though.........it was almost 30 years ago.:o

I've heard that story as well, and it's a fact that the first Recon Tantos 1987/88 were marked Made in USA. But I haven't seen anything to substantiate that Buck made them. So far anyway.

Buck did make the originals but it was earlier than '87. By then the production had moved to Japan.
 
Man, I wish I could find a Carbon V Trail Master. I don't care what A.G. said. :p
 
You sure about that? This is the Recon Tanto not the other Tantos which were out earlier.

My apologies, I misread your post. I was referring to the originals. I do not know about the Recon.
 
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