A Good Hunting Rifle

Lighter bullets, especially the 6mms, can get "flaky" when you shoot through turbulent air or switching winds. Big bullets in the 7mm or .30 cal class are much more stable. The .308 Win is an extremely accurate cartridge, is very easy to load for (i.e., get good accuracy), and barrels last forever compared to smaller calibers.

These are the biggest reasons I lean toward .308.
Scott

Got a question concerning this: I agree that I like the .308, as I've got an Enfield in it, but I've also heard that the 6.5x55 (IIRC?) used by the Swedes was a very accurate long distance round... and considering the conditions it was used under, weather was usually a factor. I've been thinking of getting one of the mauser styled pieces, either a Huskqavarna (sp) built or German built in this caliber and wonder if anyone has any opinions on it versus the .308?

Thanks in advance, guys...
 
I just got an older Savage 340A, it's a 30-30. Perfect for deer. Comparable to the gun I started with, a Marlin 30-30 (although the Marlin is a repeater, and the Savage is a bolt action... I prefer bolt action myself).
Wish me luck this season, and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, too!
 
I guess it depends on what you are planning on hunting. For big game I have one rifle. A Marlin 450 lever action. It will pretty much handle anything from white tail deer on up to the biggest Kodiack Grizzly. In fact I'm sure this thing would knock a big bull elephant on it's a$$ if not a blue whale if you were hunting such a beast. Its a lot of rifle.

STR
 
I've also heard that the 6.5x55 (IIRC?) used by the Swedes was a very accurate long distance round... and considering the conditions it was used under, weather was usually a factor. . . . wonder if anyone has any opinions on it versus the .308?. . .

The 6.5x55 is ballistically superior to the .308 Win, but that's not real hard. After about 600 yards or so (with suitable long-range bullets) the Swede pulls ahead in energy. This is comparing heavy, long-range match/hunting bullets (A-Max); 178-gr .30 cal and 140-gr 6.5mm. It should get around 1/2 to 2/3 the barrel life of the .308 Win., say, 2000 rounds in match shooting.

I would be leery of using the 6.5x55 on game larger than deer.

Great cartridge though.

Scott
 
The 6.5x55 is ballistically superior to the .308 Win, but that's not real hard. After about 600 yards or so (with suitable long-range bullets) the Swede pulls ahead in energy. This is comparing heavy, long-range match/hunting bullets (A-Max); 178-gr .30 cal and 140-gr 6.5mm. It should get around 1/2 to 2/3 the barrel life of the .308 Win., say, 2000 rounds in match shooting.

I would be leery of using the 6.5x55 on game larger than deer.

Great cartridge though.

Scott

Scott,
Lots of moose have made their way to the freezer due to this cartridge, but agree deer and the 6.5 are perfect for each other. The secret to the down range ballistics is the length of the bullet. I reallly don't want to get into the math of it, it is free on the web for anyone that wants to search, put ballistic coefficient into google and start reading. But keep in mind ease of finding ammo, this is a survival forum and in a SHTF scenario I would much rather have a 308 in my hands than a 6.5x55. Chris
 
Chris and Scott:
Thanks for the info... I know the 6.5 ammo is generally scarce, which is why I love the .308 for my Enfield and my CETME, but I was a target shooter growing up, not a hunter. So I've sorta had this urge to look at the 6.5 maybe more for target shooting at distance if I decide to take it up again.

Meantime, for a SHTF scenario, while heavy, I think my Enfield should work out just as well...

Thanks again... :thumbup:
 
Scott,
Lots of moose have made their way to the freezer due to this cartridge, but agree deer and the 6.5 are perfect for each other. . . .

True enough about the moose.

If it were not for the barrel life of the .308, I would choose the 6.5x55 or (more likely) the .260 Rem.

Scott
 
Chris and Scott:
Thanks for the info... I know the 6.5 ammo is generally scarce, which is why I love the .308 for my Enfield and my CETME, but I was a target shooter growing up, not a hunter. So I've sorta had this urge to look at the 6.5 maybe more for target shooting at distance if I decide to take it up again. . . .

You should check out the 6.5x47 Lapua for a target cartridge. (And get a loading press man!) It approximately equals the .308 WIn for ballistics, actually a bit better in wind. It apparently is an extremely accurate cartridge. There are some good writeups about it on 6mmbr.com and elsewhere. 6mm BR is another good match cartridge, for 600 yards and less.

There are lots of good 6mm and 6.5mm long-range bullets available these days. Some are intended for fast twists though, so you have to be careful about various issues there.

Lots of info to be overloaded with (a main reason I lean toward the simple and robust these days).

Scott
 
I only skimmed the first page, so forgive me if I cover something that has been said.

Areas that allow rifles have a minimum caliber restriction. In Texas, rimfires are illegal for big game. Rifles are illegal for turkey in the spring, etc. In Colorado, the restriction is based on the amimal. Larger calibers for larger animals.

In New York, some wildlife management units are closed, some are bow only, some are shotgun and muzzleloader and handgun and bow, and some are rifle and shotgun and muzzleloader and handgun and bow. The restrictions apply whether the hunter is on private or public land and are carved in stone, so to speak. Refert to the following page for details about what arms are legal in the area you plan to hunt:

http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/wildlife/guide/legalimp.html

Additionally, it is ILLEGAL to hunt deer with any rimfire rifle, a fully automatic firearm, an autoloading firearm that holds more than 6 shells (except an autoloading pistol with a barrel length under 8 inches);
any firearm equipped with a silencer...

Leave the SKS and the .22 at home.

I would recommend a remington 700 in anything from .25-06 up to .300 RUM. I shoot a .270 and my wife shoots a 7mm remington magnum. A .270 will take anything up to and including an elk, and serve you well as a varmint gun as well. A 300, any of the long action 300s, is good on anything that north america has to hunt. A 338 is excessive for whitetails.

My personal recommendation on caliber would be to pick the largest caliber that you can shoot comfortably, and practice excessively. A large and fast, but poorly placed bullet is less effective than a small bullet placed well. There is no better way to develop a flinch (the death nail to accuracy) than shooting a gun whose recoil you don't tollerate well.

Additionally, look at what you are going to be hunting, or what you may want to hunt in the future. If all that you ever want to hunt is white tails, then a 25-06 would be killer. If elk are in your future, then maybe a 7mm or 300 would be better. Remember that a .270 will do a number on an elk too. Shot placement and terminal ballistics (how well the bullets stands up to the game) are more important than caliber, but caliber is important too. A 300 in the gut is less effective than a 25-06 in the heart. A 70 grain frangible bullet will be less effective than a 180 grain bonded core/A-frame/partitioned bullet. If any or all of this sounds confusing, then you have some homework to do. E-mail me and I'll try to make it make sense.
 
I am more Elmer Keith than Jack O'connor, and would pick a 06 over a 270 anyday, and again with availibility of ammo the 308 over both, agreed homework is in order. Chris
 
I don't mean any offence, but there isn't a lot of practical difference between a 25-06, .270 Win, 30-06, or .308 Win, assuming equivalent bullets are available for all (sometimes not true).

Inside of 250-300 yards they all have comparable killing power and trajectories. Outside of 300 yards there really is no such thing as a flat shooter.

I have a .280 Ackley Improved with a 31" barrel that will outperform a 7mm Rem Mag (with a normal length barrel). Its maximum accurate range is around 1600 yards. That is to say, the bullet is stable in flight until it starts to go transonic at that range. A .308 Win with a 175ish grain bullet will generally get to 1100 or 1200 yards before going transonic.

Wind drifts aside, shooting the .308 or the .280 AI at, say, 800 yards, is identical: you have to know the range within 20 yards, and you have to know your sight adjustment exactly. The .280 AI (or 7mm Rem Mag) has no trajectory advantage over a .308 Win at that range.

At close range, take a point blank criteria of plus or minus 3". This is the maximum range where the bullet stays within 3" of the line of sight.

A .308 Win shooting a 178-gr Hornady A-Max at 2636 fps will have a max. point plank range of ~270 yards. You sight in at ~230 yards.

A .280 AI shooting a 162-gr A-Max at 2935 fps will have a max point blank range of ~300 yards. You sight in at ~255 yards.

See what I mean? All that fuss, boom and kick only increases your point blank range by 10% over the slow old .308 Win.

That is pretty profound when you think about it.

Scott
 
I think that your point is well taken, but also remember that getting a shot over about 300 yards is hard anywhere other than "out west" and getting a shot anywhere near the yardage that you are talking about (>1000 yards) is near impossible in New York, except maybe at a dedicated long-range range. The .308 is a fine round that has taken plenty of game, both two and four legged. The .243 is also a fine round that has taken plenty of game. The .270 is the most popular hunting cartridge for whitetail sized game, and the .30-06 the most popular ever. The differences between a .25-06, .270, .280 rem, .308, and .30-06 are minimal, and all will serve a hunter well. I maintain that a hunter should pick the largest caliber that he or she can shoot accurately, mainly due to the possibility of a "deer rifle" doing double duty as an elk or larger rifle as well. So long as the hunter can shoot it accurately and tolerates the recoil well, the upside of shooting a larger faster bullet outweighs the downside.
 
I think that your point is well taken, but also remember that getting a shot over about 300 yards is hard anywhere other than "out west" and getting a shot anywhere near the yardage that you are talking about (>1000 yards) is near impossible in. . .

Right. I was giving an extreme example only to illustrate the extent to which cartridge choice does not matter.

Scott
 
.223 is popuar in Australia for 'roos etc- a good all rounder for small to medium size game.

Anyone ever used a .50 cal to hunt bunnies? ;)
 
If you will be hunting in thick brush, than I strongly reccommend a Marlin 30-30, if you are hunting in more open areas where you might have to take a longer shot, than I reccommend a 30-06, .270, and definately a 7mm. The 30-30 will work very well in brush because it is short and therefore easier to get to the stand a little more quietly, it is also the most accurate rifle caliber I have ever shot (I have shot many), it has never failed to down a deer with one shot. I don't have that much experience with the .270 myself, but my dad has used one before successfully. The 30-06 come in many different grain sizes and there is alot of cheap military ammo out there, it is also a very accurate caliber. The 7mm Remington Mag. is the most powerful deer gun I would use, any more powerful, and it would be overkill, for as much power as this caliber has, the recoil is very manageable, it also has the longest range of the more common deer hunting calibers. I hope this info helps out, hunting can be a very fun and relaxing thing to do. Sorry if this has already been posted, but I didn't have time to read all of the replies.
 
I have been offered a very lightly use Winchester model 70 in 30-06 for $425(including shipping). I havent much looked into pricing on Winchesters but I know they make good guns. Is this a good price?
 
.257 Weatherby Mag. is an excellent cartridge, though can be hard to find. Very fast, flat, and plenty of knock down for deer. Probably not the best brush caliber but typically brush calibers and flat/fast don't go hand in hand.
 
Get a Remington 700 BDL in .308! You wont be disappointed! Plus you can find .308 ammo very cheap because its a military round.
My thoughts exactly. .308 Win is a great deer cartridge. The Rem 700 is a great rifle, but I've also got a Winchester Pre-64 Mod 70 Featherweight in .308 that would be my first choice based on weight and ease of carry. 30-06 would be my second choice of caliber because of all the surplus ammo I still have. You don't need a bigger round (.300 Win Mag and .338 Lapua are not necessary. Smaller rounds may work, but the two .30 cal cartridges give the most bang for the buck. $.02 YMMV
 
I went through a similar decision process about five years ago when I got into hunting big game, (mule deer, elk, and pronhorn antelope).

I chose the .308 the following reasons:

1. Accuracy
2. Versitility
3. Availability
4. Affordability
5. Matches the caliber of battle rifle (FAL) I eventually want to get

I went with a simple set up I really enjoy. Tikka T3 Lite Stainless paired with a Burris 3 x 9 x 40 Fullfield II scope, (ballistic-plex reticle).

I had an opportunity to put this rifle/scope combo through an unexpected torture test a couple seasons back when I took a major tumble down the side of a slope. In the process I more or less, body slammed it against a rock the size of a minivan. (Better it than me, eh?) Upon returning to the range, I discovered it had maintained zero through all of that. That's good enough for me.

:thumbup:
 
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