A lurker joins in....and a serious question

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Greetings

I have been a knife nut for the last twenty years at least. I haven't bought a new knife in 18 years since I bought my old Puma 4 Star though!
Recently the bug bit again - hard!

Now, I live in Denmark and those of you who know this terribly mediocre little appendix to Germany, will know that out weapon laws are extrme.
As the last nail in the coffin of freedom, they just made one hand operated folding knives illegal to own and carry, no matter the length of the blade!

The police recently confiscated the stock of one of Copenhagens popular dealers and they are now sueing the police to get their knives back!

They are not sold in Denmark anymore, but can be bought "through other channels".
What would you do? Own and carry them anyway?

God, the politicians of this once fine country p*ss me off all the time!

Best regards
The Porcupine
 
Hey, we're roughly in the same boat.
I carry anyway.

And of course, Welcome!
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Be well!/Jonas aka 2Sharp

"Who want fulfillment? -denial lasts forever"
Total Emerson knives freak!!! Usual Suspect wanna-be...

The coolest bar in the world: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Camp/8373/index.html
My knives!

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Hi Porcupine

Welcome to the forums! Well...... officially it is always good policy to follow the letter of the law. But one might nevertheless occasionally bend it a little by accident. Speeding and tax evasion has also been known to happen in our fair little country from time to time. I think onehand openers have been illigal for quite some time, but maybe they have decided to enforce the law more strictly now?

Regards Jan

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I guess it depends on the penalty if you are caught with one.
50.00 fine--no problem.
Time in jail--big problem.
 
It's terrible to leave your homeland, or feel the need you have to. But this is why America was created.

What gives me some severe pain is, I see all of these wonderful people post here, and they are talking about breaking the laws in their country...just to carry something simple like a pocket knife, for utility and/or self-defense.

I see people in other countries talk about how they cannot own a firearm anymore.

Yet, us Americans have to fight for our rights constantly.

I can't help but dream about how great America would be, it is, after all, The Great Melting Pot...if every British Subject that has had their weapons confiscated, moved here.

Ditto Australia and other countries.

While weapons laws in America are sometimes incredibly convoluted and stupid, this is a very large country and there are plenty of places to move.

Barring a Civil War [not going to happen] or invasion, British Subjects are never going to be able to own firearms again. Knife laws in Britain are Draconian and that movement is growing hand in hand with gun control in Australia.

America would be greater, safer and stronger, if she had a massive influx of good people from other places who have a strong sense of Liberty. That's what we're all about here.

And, you vote when you get here. That makes us stronger. That vote keeps Liberty in place.

We are having problems with that right now here.

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.

Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline. It's the end of the world as we know it...and I feel fine. ~Stipe
 
Sort of, almost the same kind of laws where I live. I carry one anyway.

I break the law but I am not a criminal. Uh, wait let me rephrase that one I don´t do crime but I break the knifecarrylaw. No wait, I carry therefore I am. No someone else said that. Aiieee, I´m a part time criminal.

Never mind lets say that I don´t carry. It´s easier that way. Instead I have a s.w.a.t. supercop that will respond to my secret call: "Show no fear, automan is here". Within 30 seconds he will appear from nowhere (has been trained by the same unmentionable gov. agency that Gecko45 aka the mall ninja).

Seriously, I carry a Spyderco Delica. I do think that irresponsible people with knives are the reason behind stupid knifelaws. There will always be some people in a society that can´t be trusted with a gun, knife or car. Too bad that the responsible people (pointing a finger at me) has to suffer.

Don,
Tried to get a greencard in the “green card lottery”, twice. Guess what. I´m still here. Do you know anyone in U.S.A that would care to adopt a 6.1ft 220lbs baby?

Only gun control I like is the one you use to hit your target.

/Colinz
 
Preach on brother! I personally would love to see an influx on hard working, liberty seeking, gun and knife loving peoples. It would be so much better than the current influx of non-patriotic, not assimilating, non-working, system using, immigrants that are coming in. I'm not saying that all current immigrants are this way but a LARGE portion certainly is. And to top it off, one of these immigrants is trying to sue the Alabama state govt because the drivers test isn't offered in spanish. They are refusing to learn the local language and expect the locals to learn theirs.

America may need a civil war by the time things are over. The hard working, America loving, patriots are going to soon be fed up with the bottom feeding users that seem to be taking the majority spot.

Damn... I didn't expect to rant like this but God damnit, I love my country and I hate the current direction it's going in.
 
Guys;

What can I say? You took the words right out of my mouth!
I wonder how much more people everywhere will take before realizing that we need to fight on all fronts to preserve at least some kind of freedom?
I am not talking armed conflict here, just a turn in the way we think and most importantly - vote!
Thanks for all the great replies!

The Porcupine a.k.a Bo
 
The decision to carry, in spite of stupid laws, should be supported by the "dignified factor"

I’ve said it before - also in this forum - and I'll say it again: if you look like a gentleman and behave like one - your knife - if ever detected - is regarded as a gentleman’s knife.

If - on the other hand - you behave like a jerk - well...you become a menace and LEO like to use everything they have against you...including illegal carry etc.

In addition, - by looking and acting in a dignified manner - you reduce the chances of ever being searched and therefor your chances of being spotted - are dramatically reduced.

BTW - welcome to the BF


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Some laws are just too stupid to follow. Knifelaws here (Sweden) beeing one of them. I always carry, usually a folder. Knifes are not totally forbidden, but they have to be small (no fixed length in the law, but prejudicate from court saying SAK is ok). As long as you don't go waiving around with it in front of police you are ok, but I'd rather have the stupid law rejected.

I also have entered Green Card lottery, no card yet...
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Porcupine,

I live in the good old USA. I feel sory for you, can't carry and all.OH! wait a second, I live in New Jersey! I know how you feel.Knife laws suck.

john
 
One of the problems with illegal immigration into this country is, one political party is giving them amnesty constantly for entering illegally, which is a crime.

It's a crime, period. No debates, and no Amnesty should be given.

For those of you that are Registered Democrats, I do not wish to offend you. If you are here and you like knives, hey, you might like firearms too.

However, the simple fact of the matter is, the Democratic Party is controlled by a radical group of left-wing Socialists. (I can prove that if you want to dispute it as they have their own website).

Now, if you enter a country illegally, a crime, and then one political group offers you Amnesty, who are you going to vote for?

You're going to vote for those that handed you Amnesty for your crime.

Another thing is, most people really do not understand that this is not a "Democracy."

The United States of America is a Constitutional Republic that operates on precious few Democratic Principles.

In this last Election, you saw the truth in my last statement. The Popular Vote declared Gore the winner. But this is a Republic and contrary to the incessant whine of Socialists and people who are indeed ignorant of their own Form of Government, the Electoral College was attacked and there was talk of doing away with it.

The Electoral College was put in place for a specific reason, so the "Population Centers" of the country, the Cities, could not rule over the rest of the country. I challenge anyone to consult a county by county map of the voting results of the last Election Cycle. USA Today's Website had the map up for a long time. I do not know if it is still on their website. It was clear that this was one of the rare instances where the Electoral College saved a whole country from the views, opinions and policies of a man that was popular only in the Cities of this country.

Whole News Programs and Talk Shows were centered on the fact that the Republicans were gutting "Our Democracy." And the simple fact is, contrary to all the incorrect use of these terms, there is no Democracy here to gut. This is not a Democracy. A Democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what and who is for dinner.

That's the truth of the matter. And we have so many problems, look at what the one Forumite stated about someone suing Alabama because the Driver's Test was not in Spanish. This is not Spain, this is not Mexico. People used to come here to be American, now they come here primarily to get on the wealthy teat. That's not the way this country was supposed to be Sports Fans.

There is nothing at all wrong with wishing to keep your Identity and Ethnicity, but when you think you can move to another country, in many cases, illegally, be granted Amnesty for your crime and then force an issue like your language being adopted, well...you decide.

Now, alot of good people have moved here from Mexico, Central and South America, and they have entered legally and they cling to the Democratic Party because of the name. "Democracy" is much more favorable than a Banana Republic, third world dictatorship, and I understand their confusion. They just don't know or understand that who they now support are the same corrupt Despots they just ran from, but the Despots are in their infancy here.

Rant mode off.

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.

Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline. It's the end of the world as we know it...and I feel fine. ~Stipe

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Wow, very insightful observations there!

Being that I've been registered "independant party" for over 10 years and claim no political affiliations with either Republicans or Democrats, I consider myself mostly unbiased.

However, I have become more and more appauled at what the leftist governemnt and media have (together) been trying to sell us these days.
In four years, it'll be pucker time again.
 
It seems that when I think of every thing this country used to be about (true freedom, hard work, patriotism, etc, morals, ethics) I realize that the Democrats are for the most part the exact opposite.

If a certain group fails to succeed and has a larger portion of thier population commiting criminal acts, Democrats will place the blame on their poor neighborhood or lack of good education. If you stretch you imagination, this may work in a few cities, but I'm in a small city in central FL. Everyone has a truely equal chance in the school system yet certain groups still fail to succeed and like larger cities, they have a larger population of criminals.

Guns are blamed for crime, instead of criminals. Victims are being persecuted instead of the offender.

The people that seem the most incapable of caring for children are having the most of them. I know one black man, who is one of the nicest guys I know, who isn't even 30 yet, has 11 children with 8 different women, doesn't pay child support, deals in the white powder, and has never held a job in his life. I like him very much as a person, but I don't approve of his life style. Instead of paying for his children, he spends $8000 on a car, $5000 on a custom paint job, $2000 for custom interior work, $5000 on TV's and Stereo equipment for the car, and $3000 on 20" wheels and tire. I know many more like him but he has the most kids.

What happened to the days of living within your means and taking care of your own children? What happened to working hard to get out of a bad situation, or civil protest. Now, as a white male, I fear the police shooting a black man in my area, because, whether they are justified or not, there will be a riot. (we've had 2 riots in the past 8 years here) Fortunately my town consists of many country boys who grew up with guns so the riot is contained to a fairly small area, but any white people near by tend to be assaulted.

When my great great grandparents came to America, they were poor and uneducated. My great great grandfather didn't speak English but learned in in order to get a job. My Grandmother on my mothers side came from a very poor family in the Ozarks but worked her way up and now lives a comfortable life.

Ahh.. the old days, if only we could bring back the ethics from those days...
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shmackey:
Wow. You guys are nuts.</font>

Hardly, we're just simply pointing out facts. There is nothing in here that is mere opinion.

Your post was interesting in that we were discussing inmates running the asylum.



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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.

Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline. It's the end of the world as we know it...and I feel fine. ~Stipe
 
BaliLover,

Yes, and you would be considered a "racist" for not immediately flushing down the Memory Hole any negative observations you have personally witnessed.

There are alot of crappy people in all races, but, I don't make excuses for Ted Bundy, Charles Manson or any other cretins. *HINT* Certain people should not defend dirtbags in their own Sphere of Influence.

As for the Dude you know who has the nice car, etc., dealing in the dreaded white sh*t, well, there is another story to be told.

We are in denial.

We act like Prohibition never happened. We pay it lip service and then immediately forget the lessons learned vis a vis, Prohibition fueling Organized Crime.

You know where that is headed. But, we continue to accept as somewhat normal, triple digit homicide rates in almost every major City in the country. Most of that could end within months...

That guy would not be able to make the living he does if his business was snatched away from him. Simple as that. One of two things would happen.

1. He would start working.

2. He would start robbing.

#1 Would be great, #2 is why you have Concealed Carry in Florida.

But hey, wait a minute, if he gets busted, where do the thousands of dollars he has spent on the car and the car itself go?

Seized by Law Enforcement.

That's why we have to tolerate carnage. Everyone is making money on it and meanwhile, if you live in a City or in some suburban areas, you can't walk at night. If for no other reason, you might get struck down because two morons want to get into a gun battle over at the corner of _______ and _______ because there is money to be made on that corner.

All of that could end.

I have never seen two people shooting at each other over who has the right to sell Marlboros and Budweiser on a streetcorner.

I'm a Republican, but I'm a smart one.

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.

Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline. It's the end of the world as we know it...and I feel fine. ~Stipe

[This message has been edited by Don Rearic (edited 04-25-2001).]
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> That's why we have to tolerate carnage.</font>

Wow, I hope you aren't in AA...otherwise, there is no excuse.

Steve-O
 
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