A matter of the law

Legally, what length is this blade?

  • Under 3.5"

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Exactly 3.5"

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Over 3.5"

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    0
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hey,
how about starting from the tip of the ruler and not the 1/16 tick..and how about let this die..I ONLY HOPE ANY FORUM MEMBER READS the posts you placed in here and the GBU before considering doing ANY business with you..it will save them all alot of headaches!

the knife is 3.5 or less!
face reality!

and realize the actions you have displayed are childish..you sent my knife away..and still i haven't evenhandles yours yet!
 
It was not my intention to start at the 1/16" in the scan. I'll post the original picture. Measured from the bolster to the tip of the blade is 3 5/8". You told me it was less than 3.5". 3 5/8 is NOT less than 3.5"

I only shipped your TnT off once you refused to take it back.

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Now that you've both proven the capability to agree to disagree. . .

I pray that someone with the capability to close this thread steps in and does so.

If not ~ please. . .please. . .please. . . disagree with each other privately. :rolleyes:
 
Actually I said we should agree to disagree. Underdogizhere hasn't agreed to it.

:D

But yeah, ideally the Cobra will arrive today, and he will like it.

As I said before, even though the TnT he sent and wouldn't take back didn't work out for me, it all worked out in the end. Just getting a different TnT that's really less than 3.5"

Mike
 
This is a good poll and makes for an interesting discussion, I think.

Here's the problem. A prosecutor will measure it in whatever fashion will do you the most damage, as a defendant, without regard to how that knife was designed to be used. If, by any stretch of the imagination, the whole blade could be used to stab something they will charge you with carrying an illegal stabbing weapon.

At the very least, they will measure that blade from the point to the hilt. It will fall upon you and your lawyer to prove its legal length, and it will cost you a fortune.

The legal-length designations are deliberately ambiguous, and designed to cover all "stabbing" potential, not cutting edges or a knife's actual utility. For all their dues-collecting and slapping each other's backs, the self-appointed knife advocacy groups aren't worth a damn when it comes to these silly legislations, and I am very frustrated with them.

See your state's "dirk or dagger" definitions and you'll see what I mean. The only difference relative to folders, apart from straight knives, is that it a folder more likely to be carried in the pocket or, as the law says, thereby "concealed." There is a good article about this in the February Knives Illustrated.

Otherwise, that is an absolutely beautiful knife!
 
All this talk about measuring...I hope my wife doesn't get a hold of this thread! I'd be in trouble, and would certainly dictate where the measuring started and ended and at what time the measuring should commence....:D

samwereb posted
This is a good poll and makes for an interesting discussion, I think.

Here's the problem. A prosecutor will measure it in whatever fashion will do you the most damage, as a defendant, without regard to how that knife was designed to be used. If, by any stretch of the imagination, the whole blade could be used to stab something they will charge you with carrying an illegal stabbing weapon.

At the very least, they will measure that blade from the point to the hilt. It will fall upon you and your lawyer to prove its legal length, and it will cost you a fortune.
Click to expand...

I'm in aggreement with Samwereb on the above, once the prosecutor gets his say they will do it to the extent it creates the most harm towards you, regardless of what legal limits you may feel are right in your area...best advice? Stay out of trouble, as Starfish posted, the LEO's may not ever bother you, you might even want to vist a Police Station and talk to the Chief to get their views on that knife, I'm sure they'd talk with you on it, just carry it inside a box and not clipped. They really are on our side!

Underdog...you're gettin' one heck of a knife in that Cobra!!! I drooled over that pic a long time and wished I had something to pry it from Michael...

G2, off for some private measuring....;)
 
In most civilized countries you are supposed to be able to decide beforhand from any law what's legal or not. Sadly it's seldom possible anywhere. USA Q.E.D.

TLM
 
mike..awesome pic...bit PLEASE..if you are gonna measure it and make an issue out of it..start at the tip of the ruler not the 1/16 mark!

they everyone will see, i was correct :D
 
...if we want to get all technical about it, you should place the tip so that it starts at a demarcated point on the ruler, and not at the end of the ruler. I.e., place the tip at the 1" mark. Reason being that the end of the ruler gets worn over time, and may not even have been cut precisely to begin with. The markings on the ruler, however, are fixed and more precise....

I knew those chemistry labs would come in handy someday! :rolleyes:

Matthew
 
but as a general rule, most LEO's are not going to make an arrest based on Milimeters or centimeters. There must be proof beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty for a conviction. 99% of the Law Enforcer's are very supportive of Honest folks carrying knives. This one is just too close to call and IMHO, I doubt would generate a prosecution. Far too many variables to throw even "minute doubt" into the mind of the Trier of facts to ever expect a conviction. The key is blade length. Now on a fixed blade, do you include the tang as part of the Blade as it's all one piece or is the blade length the CUTTING EDGE of the knife.
I will not offer an opinion because this has been beaten to death, but to put it in perspective, this case would result in a HUNG JURY EVERY TIME it was tried if some over zealous LEO made an arrest and an even more Over-zealous prosecutor tried this case in a court of Law.
I do belive the Ninth circuit settled this arguement a few years ago in a "dissented" Opinion that blade length is measured by the SHARPENED edge.................wolf
 
mike..before you make the claim again of it not being 3.5 inches..pleas look at this pic..and you will see what i have been begging you to understand..can't be any clearer than this!
 

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I know of I flip the ruler around, and butt the end with the 1" up against the bolster, the tip of the knife sticks out 1/8" past 3.5". That's 3 5/8".

As starfish said, you're not SUPPOSED to use the end of the ruler, because it might be worn, but I don't believe the end of this one is worn.

Mike
 
I posted in the GBU thread before it was locked. I think I posted about the ruler and knife not being lined up properly before it was mentioned anywhere else. Anybody with reasonably good vision should be able to see what is so obvious. The tip is starting out already 1/16" into the ruler. Therefore he seems to be adding 1/16" to the blade length. Actually, he keeps saying that its 3 5/8". If you know how to read a ruler (like we all learned in first grade) then you can see clearly the 3 5/8" mark is in the handle.

I know people think this should be taken to email by the two involved, however I think it has come to the point where a public solution is needed. I mean, when one comes here and slams underdog and basing their complaint on a faulty measurment, then underdog has the right to defend himself in public, with others helping to point out what is so clear in the photo posted by Michael. IMO, the blade is 3.5" at MOST, if not just a hair shorter.
 
thanks God there are some people with some sense and decent eyesight like you Richard..
thanks and i agree..i have the right to defend myself, when attacked and ASSumptions are made...wthe whole time this JERK is making a deal of the fact the blade is 3 5/8th..now it is the handle is too big..ect..ect..when in fact..the pic shows CLEARLY the opposite..what suprises me more than anything is the people that agree with him..i mean...geez!

besides that, well..everyone can see what this guy went and done then tried to cover his tracks...:mad:
 
From: UnderdogIzHere@aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:48:30 EST
To: michael_aos@mac.com
Subject: Re: lightfoot..

i measured it from end of bolster to the tip and i got a little less than 3.5
inches..

Funny. 84% say you misrepresented the length of the knife. If I had to guess, I'd say the other 15% are friends of yours that you've asked to vote your way.

Mike
 
From: UnderdogIzHere@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:48:04 EST
To: michael_aos@mac.com
Subject: Re: lightfoot..

i just measured the TNT parrot...it is a little tad under 3.5 inches..maybe a
1/16 or an 1/8...i can ship it out to you tomorrow..if you like..i like to
use next day as insurance to $500 is covered.

Simply not true.

Mike
 
-sigh- I guess I have to lock this thread, too, huh?

Everybody can see the picture ... there is no point in arguing about what's right in front of your eyes....

I suppose I ought to give a link to the thread in TGB&U: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=187209

There are 50 posts in that thread, 58 in this one, and 29 in the other thread in this forum. If 137 posts isn't enough....
 
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