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A Sad, Sad Day for Firearms
- Thread starter Dave Rishar
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Yvsa, your brother in law reminds me of a friend of mine who would never clean his gun during deer season because he maintained that the deer would smell the oil and solvents. We called him "Dangerous Dave". This same dude would sit up in one of them big, cracker box house deer stands with his funky, rusty, scent free rifle, and have a cup of coffee in one hand and a cigarette in the other. Needless to say, he didn't bring home much meat.
He did have one noteworthy adventure here on Fort Hood. It was a "guided hunt", meaning the guides drove you out to whichever stand they wanted to stick you in, and left you there until they came to get you. With sunrise still about a half hour away, and dawn breaking pearl grey among rising mists, Dangerous Dave began to hear something strange and unearthly sounding. There had been a range scheduling error, there are several Native American burial sites on the Fort Hood ranges, and that very morning the Four Winds Council was conducting a ceremony, probably only about a couple hundred meters from the very tree stand in which Dangerous Dave sat perched. Oblivious to this fact, Dave sat there in his stand, surrounded by dense forest dripping with dew, and shrouded in rising mists, and he began to "hear things". It started with the rythmic throbbing of tom-toms, but pretty soon the drum beat was joined by chanting and wailing, which started softly at first, but gradually rose in volume and intensity. Dangerous Dave put out his cigarette. Convinced he was encircled by the ghost warriors of the entire Comanche nation, all of whom were coming for his scalp, he nervously prepared for his defense. Just then a shiny Dodge pickup came sliding up to a stop, and a very perturbed looking game warden got out and yelled up "get yer a$$ down from there, we gotta git the he&& out of here". Involuntarily weeping a bit in relief, Dangerous Dave climbed down.
Sarge
He did have one noteworthy adventure here on Fort Hood. It was a "guided hunt", meaning the guides drove you out to whichever stand they wanted to stick you in, and left you there until they came to get you. With sunrise still about a half hour away, and dawn breaking pearl grey among rising mists, Dangerous Dave began to hear something strange and unearthly sounding. There had been a range scheduling error, there are several Native American burial sites on the Fort Hood ranges, and that very morning the Four Winds Council was conducting a ceremony, probably only about a couple hundred meters from the very tree stand in which Dangerous Dave sat perched. Oblivious to this fact, Dave sat there in his stand, surrounded by dense forest dripping with dew, and shrouded in rising mists, and he began to "hear things". It started with the rythmic throbbing of tom-toms, but pretty soon the drum beat was joined by chanting and wailing, which started softly at first, but gradually rose in volume and intensity. Dangerous Dave put out his cigarette. Convinced he was encircled by the ghost warriors of the entire Comanche nation, all of whom were coming for his scalp, he nervously prepared for his defense. Just then a shiny Dodge pickup came sliding up to a stop, and a very perturbed looking game warden got out and yelled up "get yer a$$ down from there, we gotta git the he&& out of here". Involuntarily weeping a bit in relief, Dangerous Dave climbed down.
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Great story Sarge! The first rifle I ever shot at age 10 or so was my Dad's Model 52A .22 LR target rifle. The second, the same day, was his old Model 94 rifle with octagonal barrel. Not sure of the barrel length, but at least 22", and I would not be surprised to learn it was 24. Had a curved metal buttplate as I recall. It was a fun gun and with the long barrel heavy enough that it did not kick too badly for a kid from a bench rest.
That experience was so much fun and got me interested in shooting at a very young age. Just one or two trips to the range when young can lead a kid into a love of the sport. I bet most kids today have never even been shooting. I can tell the ones going for the first time because they hold their autoloaders on the side like idiots trying to look cool like the baggy pants morons on TV.
When I was teaching my boy to shoot I deliberately let him and his friend hold my Series 70 that way, limp wristed and on the side, while I held another .45 the correct way. They each got one shot of course, and I emptied the magazine. Once they realized they would be dead (but cool looking corpses! :thumbup: ) in a real gunfight the stupidity of it sunk into them.
Norm
That experience was so much fun and got me interested in shooting at a very young age. Just one or two trips to the range when young can lead a kid into a love of the sport. I bet most kids today have never even been shooting. I can tell the ones going for the first time because they hold their autoloaders on the side like idiots trying to look cool like the baggy pants morons on TV.
When I was teaching my boy to shoot I deliberately let him and his friend hold my Series 70 that way, limp wristed and on the side, while I held another .45 the correct way. They each got one shot of course, and I emptied the magazine. Once they realized they would be dead (but cool looking corpses! :thumbup: ) in a real gunfight the stupidity of it sunk into them.
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Devil's advocate moment:
If you're shooting a pistol weak hand unsupported, putting a little gangsta on it helps some people. No sense in canting past 45 degrees, but tilting inboard a bit can improve scores. Give it a shot. (Pun intended.) The sight misalignments shouldn't make a difference inside of 25 yards. If you're shooting past that, you don't need my input.
My position shooting on the M16 is atrocious. Sitting, I "gangsta" the rifle inboard noticeably when I'm shooting for score. (Rather, when I was shooting for score.) It makes the sight adjustments a real pain but again, it tightens up the groups for some. I also "bazooka'd" the stock while sitting. I rationalized it by saying that if I had the time to shoot from sitting, I had the time to play with the sights and sling. Upright worked fine for me in offhand, kneeling, squatting and prone. It was just something about sitting...
If you're shooting a pistol weak hand unsupported, putting a little gangsta on it helps some people. No sense in canting past 45 degrees, but tilting inboard a bit can improve scores. Give it a shot. (Pun intended.) The sight misalignments shouldn't make a difference inside of 25 yards. If you're shooting past that, you don't need my input.
My position shooting on the M16 is atrocious. Sitting, I "gangsta" the rifle inboard noticeably when I'm shooting for score. (Rather, when I was shooting for score.) It makes the sight adjustments a real pain but again, it tightens up the groups for some. I also "bazooka'd" the stock while sitting. I rationalized it by saying that if I had the time to shoot from sitting, I had the time to play with the sights and sling. Upright worked fine for me in offhand, kneeling, squatting and prone. It was just something about sitting...
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I've got my dad's old model 70 270. He must have picked it up sometime in the 40's or 50s. It's a tack driver, and I've never needed any other high-powered rifle.
Winchester took a wrong turn back in '64, and I don't think they ever recovered from it.
Too bad.
Winchester took a wrong turn back in '64, and I don't think they ever recovered from it.
Too bad.
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Howard Wallace said:
Now that's one h-e double toothpick of a gun!:thumbup:
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Spectre said:
You ought to try it with an M14, John. In this case, the "cant" becomes "can't." I damned near did a somersault the one time I tried this.
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I thought I heard somewhere that the Mossad used to emphasize that technique where you slightly tilt the gun [no ganstag style though]. I'd have to check again, maybe someone else has more insight?
I have been using this for quite a while when shooting with my weak hand, and sometimes with my strong hand as well, seems to work.
Keno
I have been using this for quite a while when shooting with my weak hand, and sometimes with my strong hand as well, seems to work.
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Funny, I was considering a Winchester 94 only a couple weeks ago. Then I went with a Marlin.
Good thing I didn't buy it. Maybe the value may go up a little due to supply and demand, but as a useful knife there are downsides --- there'll be less parts, and there's a question of no one to support the factory warranty.
Good thing I didn't buy it. Maybe the value may go up a little due to supply and demand, but as a useful knife there are downsides --- there'll be less parts, and there's a question of no one to support the factory warranty.
Now more Winchester clones are made by Rossi than Winchester was actually making themselves. Their quailty it good and the price sure is right. I'd really like someone to make a good Model 71 clone. Those are hard to find and damned expensive. They locked up like a bankvault and could really handle high pressure cartridges.