A small question about the term "Turkish Clip point" or "California clip point"

I was curious about this whole discussion, so I went through AG Russell's encyclopedia. It seems even there at least two descriptions don't match.

The first is from listing under the letter T

TURKISH CLIP BLADE
A very distinctive blade shape that has a very long clip, even more than a California Clip; also has a curved edge.

The second is from the Blade Shapes page,which does not a rendering of a California.

CLIP BLADE, CALIFORNIA CLIP
The clip is even longer than the Turkish clip, it starts just in front of the tang.

See the disconnect in the descriptions?
 
AG Russell acknowledges Schrade's "Handbook of Knife Knowledge and Cutlery Terms" as a major source for his encyclopedia. Here's the page in Schrade's handbook showing the "Turkish Clip". The old Remington catalog cuts on page 36 in Levine's Guide are the best examples of folding knife clip blade variations that I have seen.

 
Interesting point Alan, I think his terms are more in the sense of guidelines rather than absolute definitions. His Turkish Clip has a "deeply swayed edge" which corresponds to the picture but to few pocket-knives around. Most Turkish Clips, or what we generally term Turkish Clip look far more like his Texas Tickler blade (which appears to be a definition for a pattern rather). Many French knives such as Opinels and Lags sport a Yataghan Clip which is also a Turkish Clip type.There again, his Coping Blade picture looks like a sturdy Sabre ground Wharncliffe to my eye, whereas what I know as mostly referred to as a Coping Blade he deems a Cut Off Penblade.

As for Muskrat Clip, I think it is just synonymous for a Turkish Clip - a longer narrower swooping type of Clip.
 
What Jake has just posted corresponds to what I've understood blade shapes to be.
 
What would one call the clip blade on a current-production Case medium stockman? California, Turkish, or neither?
 
It seems that the term never used to describe fixed blade bowie[emoji2]Turkish clip,Muskrat clip ,California clip,all are terms only for traditional folder.Got it!


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Will Power said:
Interesting point Alan, I think his terms are more in the sense of guidelines rather than absolute definitions. His Turkish Clip has a "deeply swayed edge" which corresponds to the picture but to few pocket-knives around. Most Turkish Clips, or what we generally term Turkish Clip look far more like his Texas Tickler blade (which appears to be a definition for a pattern rather). Many French knives such as Opinels and Lags sport a Yataghan Clip which is also a Turkish Clip type.There again, his Coping Blade picture looks like a sturdy Sabre ground Wharncliffe to my eye, whereas what I know as mostly referred to as a Coping Blade he deems a Cut Off Penblade.

As for Muskrat Clip, I think it is just synonymous for a Turkish Clip - a longer narrower swooping type of Clip.
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You are right of course. I was pointing out the backwards descriptions or, at least what seemed to be turned around based on what page you looked at. I agree with your points. Some of the sketches look like something else to me. But I don't have the degree of knowledge about these subjects. It seems a description is more of a "type" than a hard and fast profile. It strikes me that a lot of the conventions around knife making are like this.

Thanks for the information.
 
At one point I steered clear of clip point blades... I have no idea why, just didn't find them overly attractive... I like that is one of the best part of a knife collecting hobby, preferences change. There is always something new on the horizon, a new grail. I love Clips now and dare I say, the might be my favorite. What a fun ride this hobby has been... I look forward to many more years of driving myself crazy.:D
 
LunarShadowWolf said:
Is that a term specific only used to describe a type of clip point of pocket knife?Could the point of a fixed blade Bowie could be called "Turkish clip point" or "California clip point"? Though I haven't see in anywhere to call fixed blade or any other types of knives expect this one I have never heard about this manufacturer before and its blade, to me, has nothing to do with "Turkish clip point". But that confuses me a little bit so I wonder if that just a small manufacturers use the term wrongly and try to make that sounds "professional"?


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A lot of common cutlery terminology is derived from manufacturer advertising over many decades. There is no authority that sets the definitions. They are mostly loosely applied.
So, while I think it looks like a standard clip blade, if they want to call it a "Turkish Clip", they can do so.

The "buckshot knives" brand appears to be owned by Frost Cutlery.
 
Jack Black said:
I agree. I've not seen the term used for a fixed blade before either.
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same- nor "buckshot" brand- with its charging bear logo. Its gotta be the same as buck or bear right?
The dazzling variety of imagery and description is designed to mislead the buyer
I think I can guess where they are from just by the price alone.approx 45 USD.
More than likely a functional knife for the price.
 
I have nothing vize to say here but want to tell you that I Love to read this kind of posts. Ger in Sweden this kind of knowledge about knifes is extreamly unkommon.

Bosse
 
Tack Nirre !

Here's a picture of a small 9cm Lag by David showing the Turkish/Yataghan Clip you get on the best known of the many French traditionals. Note the nail nick far forward which makes for easier opening. Also the filework or gimping on the blade itself. Then we have the GEC 73 on the left with Drop-Point blade, a kind of hybrid Skinner? But this is a style that certainly is found on fixed blades but has moved across to pocket-knives too. Not sure of the origins of Drop-Point blades on pocket knives at all but I suspect it's a relatively recent development. Last 50 years? Could be well wrong though!

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knarfeng said:
A lot of common cutlery terminology is derived from manufacturer advertising over many decades. There is no authority that sets the definitions. They are mostly loosely applied.
So, while I think it looks like a standard clip blade, if they want to call it a "Turkish Clip", they can do so.

The "buckshot knives" brand appears to be owned by Frost Cutlery.
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I just can't see any relationship between that blade and Turkish.Since there is already a term "Turkish Clip Point" which is also used in knife,I think they had better used another name if they want to create a new term.[emoji28]And by the way,I tend to believe that they borrowed this idea from pocket knife terminology and mistakenly used it.


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What Jack and Frank said is both true.

Although it may have little to do with this example, I wonder about the origin of the term "Turkish clip"... I don't know the history and haven't done any digging. Was the name due to some similarity with a Turkish knife? Was the Turkish knife a fixed blade? If so... then you have a fixed blade being used to describe a folding knife blade and then that term being used to describe a fixed blade. :D
 
Jake-round and round it goes. Many of the Khyber knives were made, to the best of my understanding, from captured British Calvary,and other units, sabres. Then ground down to a very strong T cross section. Perhaps they kept the curve or clip on the end, well reproduced it, for fighting functionality. Idk. And we would be talking a span of time covering at least 400 years or more. Simply a thought on where the Turks might have encountered said clip. And on a fixed blade it might have aided armor penetration. Pure speculation though.
Thanks, Neal
 
supratentorial said:
What Jack and Frank said is both true.

Although it may have little to do with this example, I wonder about the origin of the term "Turkish clip"... I don't know the history and haven't done any digging. Was the name due to some similarity with a Turkish knife? Was the Turkish knife a fixed blade? If so... then you have a fixed blade being used to describe a folding knife blade and then that term being used to describe a fixed blade. :D
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It may related to a type of sword Yatagan
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Because some sources mention that it sometimes called Yatagan clip.The Yatagan features a recurve Blade.But it is weird to call it Turkish clip blade because 1. It is not a knife 2. It does not even clip point 3. "Yatagan has a Yatagan clip point" sounds weird[emoji23]


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