Mike it seems to me that it would solve a lot of problems if the owner of the klnife would just come forward and talk with MDK and settle it once for all. I don't think the dealer or the owner could be in any troouble unless they knew that the knife was from a dubious person or persons. This would go a long way in settleing the warenty matter. As far as the test the speak for them selves and I think you did them as honest as could be done, it is not like you said that the MD knife was a piece of junk it just didn't perform as well as the other knives in the test in the chopping area.IMHO the opwner should come forward.
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A word from the Mad Dog owner.
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Hi Mike
I take my hat off to you. I have been travelling a lot lately so I missed all the gossip and fun flying about.
Let me state up front that I have rid myslef of my MD Panther as it does not fit in with my intended use...... but not because of any perceived defects. I have made no secret that I also favor Busse above all ...now that I have staked my place.....
Could we stick to fact ..... what would the ID of the owner do to the whole issue or are we looking for smoking mirrors here ?
Harv, emtions will only feed this feeding frenzy..... no name calling. I have been following your posts and we have been around a while ...let us not sink to the lowest common platform. Stating that MD had no interets in the test is hard to believe!! Any top craftsmen would follow tests on his product ...if, as you state MD paid no attention, could it be arrogance? I doubt it. Kevin has been many things but he stands by his work.
I think a small wisdom that we can all learn ...if you can't say something nice, don't say anything.
To put this to rest once and for all ....... How about MD supply a blade (which is the real Mcoy ....BTW the fake story is possible but if it is true that some MD workers were ripping the consumer off ..... how many more fakes out there?) I know Mike's intergrity is way above this kind of foolishness and he would not have made a poor call on the source ...so drop it or supply a new blade for testing.
To the MD followers .....Put up or shut up !! Provide a knife and if Mike would be so kind to test the MD again, you will off course agree to accept the results.
BTW Mike....your tests confirm the micro chipping that I have stated before have occured on my MD's. I have more than 5, various ATAK's and they all do this ...so either I have 5 fakes or someone is trying to shove a pumpkin up my backside.
From Africa
Where men are men and a**ho**s are lunch !!
[This message has been edited by Aubrey (edited 12 November 1999).]
I take my hat off to you. I have been travelling a lot lately so I missed all the gossip and fun flying about.
Let me state up front that I have rid myslef of my MD Panther as it does not fit in with my intended use...... but not because of any perceived defects. I have made no secret that I also favor Busse above all ...now that I have staked my place.....
Could we stick to fact ..... what would the ID of the owner do to the whole issue or are we looking for smoking mirrors here ?
Harv, emtions will only feed this feeding frenzy..... no name calling. I have been following your posts and we have been around a while ...let us not sink to the lowest common platform. Stating that MD had no interets in the test is hard to believe!! Any top craftsmen would follow tests on his product ...if, as you state MD paid no attention, could it be arrogance? I doubt it. Kevin has been many things but he stands by his work.
I think a small wisdom that we can all learn ...if you can't say something nice, don't say anything.
To put this to rest once and for all ....... How about MD supply a blade (which is the real Mcoy ....BTW the fake story is possible but if it is true that some MD workers were ripping the consumer off ..... how many more fakes out there?) I know Mike's intergrity is way above this kind of foolishness and he would not have made a poor call on the source ...so drop it or supply a new blade for testing.
To the MD followers .....Put up or shut up !! Provide a knife and if Mike would be so kind to test the MD again, you will off course agree to accept the results.
BTW Mike....your tests confirm the micro chipping that I have stated before have occured on my MD's. I have more than 5, various ATAK's and they all do this ...so either I have 5 fakes or someone is trying to shove a pumpkin up my backside.
From Africa
Where men are men and a**ho**s are lunch !!
[This message has been edited by Aubrey (edited 12 November 1999).]
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Um, Aubrey, couldn't quite make out that sig line, where what are lunch?
Great to see you poke your head up now and then. See what happens when you start trotting all around the globe?
You missed all the fun, but then again, maybe not.
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The pen is mightier than the sword...outside of arm's reach. Modify radius accordingly for rifle.
Great to see you poke your head up now and then. See what happens when you start trotting all around the globe?
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Don LeHue
Royal Oak, Michigan
The pen is mightier than the sword...outside of arm's reach. Modify radius accordingly for rifle.
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OK, let's get real. I think most of us, whether we admit it or not, have already decided where we stand on all this. Don't bother answering lil' old me because I'm not telling you where I stand, just that I don't think anyone's mind is being changed at this point so let's let this DIE.
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I will say that 420v IMHO will hold an edge and take more TORQUE thans O1. I feel that bending tests should be measured in torque to break instead of degrees to break. As for edge holding 420v does it better buy a long shot. It is one of the only stainless steels along with 440v that hold an edge IMHO
as long as the good carbons.
I AM A CARBON LOVER! I FORGE DAMASCUS AND CARBON BLADES! So It takes a lot for me to say that 420 and 440v are as good.
Thats what drove me to building knives with this material 2 years ago.. ITS FANTASIC STUFF!!!!!!
Here a test that is a good one IMHO.
I build 4 blades of different stainless steel. All are heat treated to the optimun specs.
They are very simular in grind and edge shape. Then I mark they as to the steel they are. Then I tape the handles so I dont know which knife is which. Then I cut silicon carbide sandpaper disks until they dull.
I write on the handle (tape) how many disks I did before the blade went dull.
420v always wins!!!
I have done other testing to see if I was crazy but nope everything I cut except hair
420v always wins.
In the tourqe test 420v and 440v always win.
The way the grain is put together is what makes this material what it is.
As for a big knife. Thats the next project..
I will make a 9 in bladed bad boy to be tested . It will be thin (3/16) and made with full flat grind geometry. I have a feeling it will be a screamer. I am also making one it 3v. The winner gets to be the steel for my new field knife set.
I have tested these steels on many items . I just feel they are the best ALL around steels for stainless kniofe blade on the market today. I my testing I must say that a 5 % variable is given for edge grind ect.. I am not a machine when it comes to grinding.
10v and 15v are tough also. I still feel that the 420v and 440v are the best blade steels because of flexabilty. 3 v is the next venture for me ...
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[This message has been edited by Darrel Ralph (edited 11 November 1999).]
as long as the good carbons.
I AM A CARBON LOVER! I FORGE DAMASCUS AND CARBON BLADES! So It takes a lot for me to say that 420 and 440v are as good.
Thats what drove me to building knives with this material 2 years ago.. ITS FANTASIC STUFF!!!!!!
Here a test that is a good one IMHO.
I build 4 blades of different stainless steel. All are heat treated to the optimun specs.
They are very simular in grind and edge shape. Then I mark they as to the steel they are. Then I tape the handles so I dont know which knife is which. Then I cut silicon carbide sandpaper disks until they dull.
I write on the handle (tape) how many disks I did before the blade went dull.
420v always wins!!!
I have done other testing to see if I was crazy but nope everything I cut except hair
420v always wins.
In the tourqe test 420v and 440v always win.
The way the grain is put together is what makes this material what it is.
As for a big knife. Thats the next project..
I will make a 9 in bladed bad boy to be tested . It will be thin (3/16) and made with full flat grind geometry. I have a feeling it will be a screamer. I am also making one it 3v. The winner gets to be the steel for my new field knife set.
I have tested these steels on many items . I just feel they are the best ALL around steels for stainless kniofe blade on the market today. I my testing I must say that a 5 % variable is given for edge grind ect.. I am not a machine when it comes to grinding.
10v and 15v are tough also. I still feel that the 420v and 440v are the best blade steels because of flexabilty. 3 v is the next venture for me ...
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[This message has been edited by Darrel Ralph (edited 11 November 1999).]