A ZDP Sebenza, What are the chances?

beera said:
If the thunbhole is a spyderco design then how come strider knives has them?:confused:
They offer both the thumbstud and the hole in their models
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Strider is not a model of knives but it is a tradename. As Gerber, benchmade or other trademarks, sometimes they create a model with a spyderhole feature (sometimes without paying royalties :thumbdn: ).
A sebenza is a model with its own design. The only options that can change is the handle (graphic, inlay or overlay), and the blade (oldies ATS34 and BG42, s30v and different sort of damas and damasteel). Perhaps in the futur, it could have an evolution with the blade (CPMs90v or s125v which are both american high quality steels)
But the sebenza design will be the same for ever without spyderhole
 
I own 2 limited editions sebbies myself and like them! However, I don't think Mr. Reeves is that hardheaded to change should changes are needed.He changed steels, didn't he? If you want holes, go Spyderco. If you want studs, go CRK! Thats all!!:thumbup:
 
dannyvi said:
I own 2 limited editions sebbies myself and like them! However, I don't think Mr. Reeves is that hardheaded to change should changes are needed.He changed steels, didn't he? If you want holes, go Spyderco. If you want studs, go CRK! Thats all!!:thumbup:
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If it ain't broke don't fix it!! The Sebenza is a PERFECT knife, just the way it is!!
 
TheKnifeCollector said:
If it ain't broke don't fix it!! The Sebenza is a PERFECT knife, just the way it is!!
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I don't live by this saying and have no respect for it. I agree with you , The sebenza (in my opinion) is the best production folder. I also think that its better than most customs. (#Why is it better than most custom)? because its one design that is tried and tested and perfected.

It is also a beautiful knife in my eyes.

However, NOTHING is perfect. There is always room for improvement.
 
Regardless of whether it's perfect (I'd argue it is for most),the point is that a radical redesign would not be a Sebenza with a thumb hole and ZDP-189 -- would simply no longer be a Sebenza. When manufacturers come out with a radical new design, they designate it as a new and different model.

I think part of the reason CRK is able to maintain its level of quality as a relatively small manufacturer is because it is not trying to be all things for all people, with 50 different models and a half dozen or more or new ones each year. Leave that to the larger manufacturers.

Go to the Spyderco forum (both here and the official one) and start a thread begging for a titanium framelock (you might have better luck with compression lock) model with a ZDP-189 blade. If enough others get on board, and you bump the thread back to the top regularly, there is actually a chance that you'd see one some day. Sal listens to forumites.
 
I love my Sebenza! Best Pocketknife I've ever owned Period. I guess Really I don't want a redesigned sebenza... I want Chris Reeve to design another folder with a hole and possibly a different blade material. (If this ZDP stuff is all it's cracked up to be) maybe even a different blade shape. Frankly Fixed blades are just not my thing. But I don't want a spyderco, I want Chis Reeve's attention to detail, Near Flawless execution, and renowned customer service. Yes of course I want it all! well as the song goes you can't always get what you want. But Maybe Chris will at least revive the Umfaan! Later.
 
Perfection, as with beauty, is subjective.

I bought my first Sebenza around 12 years ago. It was a large with ATS-34. When CRK came out with the "regular" style in '97 or '98 (can't remember which) I thought it looked hideous and uncomfortable. I bought my small "regular" with BG-42 to give it a try anyway, and loved it. Then CRK changed to S30V.

I love all my CRK knives, but if the Sebenza were perfect why would Chris keep changing and refining it? There was a change to the grooves on the spine a while back to. Wood, micarta, and leather handle inlays have been added to the line up. Obviously Chris is willing to try new designs and materials from time to time because he sees possible room for improvement, otherwise why change perfection?

I would love to have a CRK framelock with a thumb hole. That doesn't mean the others are bad, I would just like to see something different in addition to the others. I'm not going to hold my breath, but I'd still be happy to see it. Full flat grind too.

Spyderco would probably like a royalty. I wonder if they, or anyone else, are paying Chris for using the framelock design? I'm guessing not. (That's not a Spyderco bash either. I love Spyderco's knives too.)
 
I doubt we'll see a radical redesign of the sebenza. I do appreciate the focus on quality of design and execution.

I think it would be great if CRK did come up with a new folding knife design. There's two areas that I think a redesign would launch a whole new "killer app" line for CRK.

The first is improvement in grip ergonomics, I can think of three SPyderco models right off the bat that feel better in the hand the the sebenza. Salsa, Lil Temp, Manix/mini Manix.

The second is opening method. the thumb stud works, no doubt about it. but the spyderco hole is just better. I'm not saying to use the hole, but that new and better systems exist or can be invented.
 
I would love to see a larger folder from CRK. One with a 4", .187" thick blade with an oval thumb hole. I would also like to see .150" thick titanium handles. I love my large Sebenza, but an XL "Sebenza like" knife would be great too.
 
it will never happen..... unless crk moves to japan. zdp steel can not leave japan unless it is in knife form.
 
imbryan715 said:
it will never happen..... unless crk moves to japan. zdp steel can not leave japan unless it is in knife form.
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I'm not 100% sure, but I think that Kershaw and AG Russell have received raw ZDP-189 from Japan for some of their knives.
 
Tony8179 said:
I'm not 100% sure, but I think that Kershaw and AG Russell have received raw ZDP-189 from Japan for some of their knives.
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They have made exceptions, but very rarely. Under normal circumstances they don't ship out un heat treated steel because they believe it too difficult for anyone else to do. That is what I've read, take that with a grain of internet salt.
 
As far as Kershaw goes, I thought that was because they had a Japanese affiliate that was certified by Hitachi and the arrangement was stretched to bring Kershaw US knives under the umbrella...could be wrong about that. As far as the ZDP knives from AGR are concerned, they are made for AGR by Kershaw, so it's just the Kershaw arrangement with a private label.
 
JNewell said:
As far as Kershaw goes, I thought that was because they had a Japanese affiliate that was certified by Hitachi and the arrangement was stretched to bring Kershaw US knives under the umbrella...could be wrong about that. As far as the ZDP knives from AGR are concerned, they are made for AGR by Kershaw, so it's just the Kershaw arrangement with a private label.
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I thought it was because Kershaw is owned by KAI, a Japanese company.
 
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