Accepting New Terminology: The "Tactical Folder"

I cant wait for this nonsense to run its course. Its marketing plain and simple.

The emphasis on a knife built for fast deployment and combat is even more silly; especially after serving in the military.

My most used and carried knife in Iraq was a small Swiss Army knife... I guess its a tactical folder now ;)


For one thing, you had an M4 and probably an M9 as well. You did not really need a weaponized knife. However silly you may think knives built for fast deployent and meat piercing and cutting, the fact remains that some knives are designed for precisely those capabilities.Whether needed or not, knives do exist and sell well in the market because of those perceived capabilities. Now this thread is about trying to reach a consensus on what to call knives in that category. At the moment tactical(however meaningless and silly that marketing buzzword is), is the term and description most widely used to describe those genres of knives.

The point of these thread is not whether this genre of knives is necessary, useful, or silly. The point of this thread is to reach a consensus on a term to describe such knives.
 
I cant wait for this nonsense to run its course. Its marketing plain and simple.
Apparently its very effective marketing, so its not likely to go away any time soon.

The emphasis on a knife built for fast deployment and combat is even more silly; especially after serving in the military.
That would seem to be part of the problem. Tactical implys use as a weapon, which certainly it can be, but only a last ditch defensive weapon 99.99% of the time.

My most used and carried knife in Iraq was a small Swiss Army knife... I guess its a tactical folder now ;)
And your SAK likely saw the same use as most of the more "tatical" knives carried.

For the majority of us, I think we mainly use the tactical name just to indicate a non-traditional.
Modern might be closer to what we mean, but I doubt that will catch on.

Plus there is that pesky little problem of refering to a knife style in a way that implys we consider it a weapon...this is likely to not be helpful when dealing with the abundance of silly knife laws.

At the moment tactical(however meaningless and silly that marketing buzzword is), is the term and description most widely used to describe those genres of knives.
Certainly can't argue with that.

The point of these thread is not whether this genre of knives is necessary, useful, or silly. The point of this thread is to reach a consensus on a term to describe such knives.
I think we're pretty much stuck with Tactical, for good or bad.

The other point of the OP was to get a concensus on a clear definition, and I'm not sure thats possible.
 
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To me there are Belt knives, neck knives, Slipjoints, Kitchen Knives, Clipped folders, axes and weapons. At least when my 5 year old daughter asks what knives to pick out for my day I tell her Clipped/Slipjoint/Fixed Blade. Within the broader categories and (I'm trained in cladistics so I categorize) may be EDC/Self defense/yanagiba/Boning/flipper/sowbelly/tanto/puuko/liner lock/.....

I personally don't buy the "only for self defense" carry line- so why can't Tactical knives just be Clipped folders and let the end user appreciate the more combatitive features, or the more utilitarian features, or both.

My long time thoughts on the matter.

P.S. I know 2 people, and each attribute the speed of their clipped folders in helping them get out of a bad situation. One was self defense, one was to cut free a tangled and panicking horse. Both cases nothing got hurt, speedy resolution, and knife quickly back in pocket for next usage.
 
imho, tactical knives magazine is probably the 'industry yardstick" for what can be defined commercially as a "tactical knife".
and countless of our knifekin probably refer to it as the unofficial global leader in promoting "tactical knives" of every kind.
so long as it's readership and publication continue to grow, we'll all be seeing the term "tactical knife" coming to encompass a gamut of generically familiar and also brand new cutting edge knife patterns which serves to highlight the flavor of the day.
and just because "tactical knife" was a recently coined up term (not exceeding the vintage 50 years), doen't mean that the ancients didn't have tactical uses for something similar.
the generic usage of an edge tool will always remain ageless, whilst radical design changes are meant to create an impression of vast improvement.
one can probably only hope to see the development of edge holding materials and little else; for a knife is only as good as it's cuts.
the term "tactical knife" still stands for something pretty cosmetic in nature.
imho, a globally recognized knife guild would have to define the industry standard pattern for "tactical knife" to make it kosher.
 
The tactical knife idea tries to combine the knife as a tool with the weapon like a dagger. Strength, reliability, comfort carry alone doens´t make a tactical knife. But the idea is not only technically related. Looking at the book "The tactical folding knife", by Bob Terzuola, the knife you have with you in a tactical situation is a tactical knife. Maybe the better questioon is: Which is a good one?

A tactical folding knife is a single bladed, one hand opening, comfort- carried knife with a strong and reliable, easy to maintain lock and construction. SD is a may but not a must.
 
I have several folding knives with clips that I can open one-handed. I would feel silly calling them tactical. I leave the use of the term tactical to the mall ninjas and the people who market to them.
 
I have several folding knives with clips that I can open one-handed. I would feel silly calling them tactical. I leave the use of the term tactical to the mall ninjas and the people who market to them.

I would have to agree with this, despite what a lot of people have been saying here.

When I hear the term "tactical folder" I think of some ridiculous and generally low quality knife that is designed to look scary at the sacrifice of function.

I do not think of "comfortable, strong, over-designed, defensive weapon, tough" when I hear tactical folder or tactical knife, I think of an embarrassing and gimmicky knife that is created to have its looks appeal to people who are afraid and want to feel tougher at the sacrifice of function or reason for me to carry that knife.

Tactical hand grip spikes
Ninja darkness black blades
Laser light guided cutting system
Super fast automatic blade deployments
Ultra tough stab through the hood of this car steel
Awesome power pocket shredding hook opening system for speedy deployment
Electrified power button for giving them baddies a shock while you're stabbing them (in defense)

Just as all this "tactical pen" "tactical card" and "tactical shoelace" is ridiculous, I find "tactical folders" to conjure up the same feelings for me, and would personally feel quite embarrassed to walk around with one.


Is that to say I would not want a strong, heavy duty, comfortable knife for my personal use or that people should feel silly carrying or using knives for self defense? Of course not, I'm just trying to get across what the term "tactical folder" means to me
 
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Why are people so hung up on marketing terms?
Did everyone who lived through the 80's become pissed off by the whole "Rambo knife" marketing terminology?

Besides, "Sport Utility Knife" has been put forth a number of times by MANY different people as an alternate term for those who get weirded out by the term tactical.

Or maybe I haven't been paying attention and that term is for "silly ridiculous want to feel tough" people now as well...
 
I call all my folders "pocket knives" cuz they go in my pockets... :)
my two cents, but really, to quote a wiseman:

^^^i have no dinosaur in this orgy.
 
I call all my folders "pocket knives" cuz they go in my pockets... :)
my two cents, but really, to quote a wiseman:

^^^i have no dinosaur in this orgy.

:D
I have to agree with the pocket knife terminology as well. The reasoning is certainly sound.:thumbup:
 
Why are people so hung up on marketing terms?
Did everyone who lived through the 80's become pissed off by the whole "Rambo knife" marketing terminology?

Besides, "Sport Utility Knife" has been put forth a number of times by MANY different people as an alternate term for those who get weirded out by the term tactical.

Or maybe I haven't been paying attention and that term is for "silly ridiculous want to feel tough" people now as well...

Agreed, why do some of you guys care so much? If you don't like tactical knives don't buy them and don't concern with what other grown men buy.
 
If traditional knives are called traditional knives then modern knives should be called modern knives. I think that the term pocket knife can be suitable. Honestly the term I find myself using most to describe the knife in my pocket is just "folder".
 
Why are people so hung up on marketing terms?
Did everyone who lived through the 80's become pissed off by the whole "Rambo knife" marketing terminology?

Besides, "Sport Utility Knife" has been put forth a number of times by MANY different people as an alternate term for those who get weirded out by the term tactical.

Or maybe I haven't been paying attention and that term is for "silly ridiculous want to feel tough" people now as well...

Sport Utility Knife...hmmm errrr SUK? maybe not....:D:D:D
 
As I said in another thread: the term "tactical", according to the dictionary, refers to the rules to which military operations must conform. In modern warfare (and I admit that I have no military experience, at all), edged weapons have no "tactical" value, in the sense that nobody plans a military operation based on the use of edged weapons. As somebody else said, they are a last ditch resort in 99.99% of cases (if one gets to this point, things must have gotten seriously wrong). They are tools, mostly. So the fact that you can use an edged weapon to figth, doesn't make it "tactical" (folder or fixed blade, long or short). I remember a war movie in which Ernest Borgnine played the role of a grizzled old German veteran that was telling a green recruit about the inconvenience of using a long Mauser bayonet, with a serrated back for trench figthing: it would stuck in the body of the enemy, it had no cutting/ slashing capability (only for stabbing); he recommended using a sharpened spade. I don't know if this is true or not, but it serves to illustrate the point that using a tool for combat or self-defense, doesn't make it "tactical". I'd like to hear the opinion of members with combat experience.
 
I call my knives "knives." It's kind of obvious on sight whether I'm referring to a steak knife or a pocket knife.

That said... as a female, I am always in some danger of being targeted for something unpleasant, from verbal harassment to rape/murder. Or so I have to assume; the alternative is a situational complacency that could get me, well, rape/murdered. A zero-tolerance event if ever there was one. So I don't walk around scared but I walk around alert to the possibilities.
I was also given, in high school in gym class, a rather decent little course in self-defense. Nothing comprehensive, but not bad for a public-school course that all the girls got put through, so it had to be geared for those with no inherent interest or abilities but still teach us something. It did. And I have used its teachings many times to evade many situations that I am sure would have gone bad if I had not evaded them and with them the need to find out just how bad they would have gotten.

First principle was to avoid situations rather than have to escape them, second was that if the first failed, to escape situations rather than stay and fight, third was if the second failed, how to fight effectively to secure opportunity to escape. For the third scenario -- which things actually progressed to once when one and two failed me -- we were taught how to use surprise to weaponize things like car keys and pens. The assumption, a fair one I think, was that we would be targeted for many reasons, one of which was being presumptively unarmed.

Now if I actually had the knife I carry now at the time I was attacked (as above), I think it would have spared me being dumped off my bicycle onto the ground. (I got away anyway because I was already fleeing; but it was scarier than I would have liked; and I scraped my palms.) I call it a knife -- calling it a "tactical" knife would feel silly because I have no intention of getting into a physical fight, period; though for sure I would use it rather than my car keys, if I had no choice in the matter. If pressed further, I call it a Kershaw Blur, as the manufacturer does. Does it have any tactical use? No doubt, in the right hands. A weapon does not wield itself. A pocket knife in the right hands is more dangerous than a .45 in the wrong ones. Would it have had any tactical use in the bike-attack scenario? Yes, I am guessing so -- I was assumed to be unarmed, and was; if I had had my Blur then and deployed it, I really do not think I would have had to use it nor been tipped off my bike -- my assailant was not cornered and I would not have moved to attack him, just have made a thought-provoking statement that there were many easier alternative targets all around, and he would probably be better off going after any that were actually unarmed, than me, who was not going to attack but not going to suffer being attacked without first using all the defensive options afford me by 3.5" inches of shaving-sharp, .5"-deep-bellied steel, with a very firm grip that I would have had a firm grip on. As it was, the guy ran away when he failed to keep me down after taking me down. So I am pretty sure he would have retreated at the sight of a knife without ever taking me down. I would have been ready to use it, and if pressed would have used it, if not skillfully as a SEAL, then as well as someone mortally afraid but not incapacitatingly afraid and determined to kill rather than be killed, and aware of basic anatomy, and jacked faster and stronger on survival-response hormones than I could have been on PCP. That is to say, if he had attacked unarmed as he was, I would have killed him, if necessary; but he would not have attacked. He was not looking for a fight but easy prey. We would have looked at each other and understood what the other was and he would have retreated and I would have let him -- i would not have wanted to scare him mortally, either; even normally cowardly creatures are very dangerous then.
That would have been a tactical situation, and a knife is certainly weaponizable if car keys are, and the Kershaw Blur more so than traditional slip-joint, and if less so than a Fairbairn-Sykes, I don't think the difference would have been great enough to have registered -- he would have retreated from either. That would have been the smart thing, and predators are smart.
My weapon was not the knife; it was the recognition of my situation and the choice I had made long before it arose about what I would do if it ever arose and the gift of the body's profoundest fear short of panic, which would have made a fine tactical knife of any knife I had. That one time when I could not avoid a fight, but did make it a very short one even unarmed. And got away, which is to say I won. I suppose that was a tactical situation; anything I had would have been a weapon; my brain and survival instincts and situational awareness and flight response were what I had that time and they did suffice alone, so anything else would have only made things easier, but was not strictly necessary. Armed with alert human wits and fear of death but not to paralysis, one is pretty well armed, against a stronger and faster but more foolish and less afraid foe.
Situations are tactical. Knives are knives. I keep my knives reasonably sharp; I can only be grateful I was born with sharp wits and keen instincts, and when I am afraid am afraid enough but not too much, which is a fine edge too.
 
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The tactical folder... Probably that means a knife wich is not good at cutting. So, if you say keep using your knife long enough without sharpening it - it will become tactical. It will probably be of some use for stabbing soft people, but useless at cutting hard wood.
So, guys, keep your knives sharp, so they stay usefull tools to you! :D
 
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