Active Duty test?

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superc

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Has anyone done a destruction test on a Busse Active Duty yet? T'would be interesting to see how it stacks up against an SRK or other cheaper tool against the cinder blocks and logs they get tested on.
 
An SRK is quite a but bigger and thicker than an Active Duty, at least my Active Duty. Even so, given INFI's toughness I bet it would hold its own against many larger knives.
 
They're really in entirely different size/performance classes. The ideal knives to compare to an srk are the Satin jacks (both tac and old) and the batac.
 
superc said:
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Anyway, it makes no sense to test those knives against each other.
 
I don't know, even though the difference is huge I am betting that Cold Steels HT will make it fail before the AD :D

in case you haven't seen examples of poor design and heat treat, here let me remind you:

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oh and lets not forget the non radius transitions by CS, compared to a Busse basics radiused transition. That's called a stress riser.

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*stares really hard at that trailmaster/basic 9 tang comparison* Are those oxidation colors on the trailmaster tang where they dipped it in the furnace/heating pot?? It looks like there's a transition zone there or something which is also the same place where most I've seen have failed. It's next to impossible to tell with the srk and recon scout since those are probably bead blasted off prior to coating.
 
yoda4561 said:
*stares really hard at that trailmaster/basic 9 tang comparison* Are those oxidation colors on the trailmaster tang where they dipped it in the furnace/heating pot?? It looks like there's a transition zone there or something which is also the same place where most I've seen have failed. It's next to impossible to tell with the srk and recon scout since those are probably bead blasted off prior to coating.
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looks like it. So you have a transition zone plus a square transition...perfect
 
The weaknesses and strengths of the SRK are well known and there is no point in continuing to beat the horse after it has died. What I am not seeing are any 'to destruction' tests anywhere on knives like the AD or the Street Scrapper or any of the other more common smaller knives. Until we get some to destruction test results back we really shouldn't endorse the unknowns.

Consider the Street Scrapper with a 5" blade for $139. Now consider the Short Kabar with a 5" blade for $79.46. [Prices from the websites.] The strength and weaknesses of the Short Kabar is a known quantity, and it is a very good knife to carry while hunting Whitetail and similar. We just have to remember not to do chin ups on the handle while the blade is wedged into a crevasse, or, chop down a 20" oak with it. Most of us can remember those limitations and avoid them without needing to check their manuals. What do we know about the capabilities of the Street Scrapper or the AD? Nothing. They seem to be immune to testing. Nuff said.
 
superc said:
The weaknesses and strengths of the SRK are well known and there is no point in continuing to beat the horse after it has died. What I am not seeing are any 'to destruction' tests anywhere on knives like the AD or the Street Scrapper or any of the other more common smaller knives. Until we get some to destruction test results back we really shouldn't endorse the unknowns.

Consider the Street Scrapper with a 5" blade for $139. Now consider the Short Kabar with a 5" blade for $79.46. [Prices from the websites.] The strength and weaknesses of the Short Kabar is a known quantity, and it is a very good knife to carry while hunting Whitetail and similar. We just have to remember not to do chin ups on the handle while the blade is wedged into a crevasse, or, chop down a 20" oak with it. Most of us can remember those limitations and avoid them without needing to check their manuals. What do we know about the capabilities of the Street Scrapper or the AD? Nothing. They seem to be immune to testing. Nuff said.
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Toughness is not a factor of blade size it is a factor of blade material and heat treat. An AD will be just as tough as any other INFI product, it just won't last as long because it is smaller.

Endorse unknowns? I knew that one was comming.:jerkit:

I think INFI has more than proven it's toughness, resilience and edge holding, if that is not enough for you, then stick with your SRK POS. By the way you brought up the SRK not me.

The Scrapper 6 was tested by Noss and it outperformed everything but INFI, so you think that the scrapper 5 won't? C'mon, why don't you quit beating a dead hose with bringing up useless threads like this one.

Hey, metaphor for you, how about we compare an SRK to a toothpick, is that enough of a difference? Hell, the toothpick might just win. But go ahead and keep the inconsistent heat treat knife and test it hard. :D

So really isn't it CS with it's inconsistent HT that is an unknown since you do not know what you will get from knife to knife. At least I know quite well what I will get when I buy a quality blade like an AD
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To each their own. But my "own" repertoire of blades will always be filled with SR77, SR101, and INFI among others. As Cobalt stated you may pay more but you always know what you are getting which is a huge piece of mind for me.
 
The idea that a knife maker’s products that use the exact same steel with the same heat treat need to be tested to destruction in every different size they make is a premise that I can’t see containing any logic. Can you explain why the tests on an INFI knife with a 10 inch blade showing that it is super tough doesn’t say the same for an AD from the same steel & and manufacturing processes?

By the way I have an AD that I routinely pound through firewood. Why? Because I can… and it is fun to see people’s jaw drop when the see me beat on this beautiful knife… and it still looks beautiful.:thumbup:

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superc said:
What I am not seeing are any 'to destruction' tests anywhere on knives like the AD or the Street Scrapper or any of the other more common smaller knives. Until we get some to destruction test results back we really shouldn't endorse the unknowns.

Consider the Street Scrapper with a 5" blade for $139. Now consider the Short Kabar with a 5" blade for $79.46. [Prices from the websites.] The strength and weaknesses of the Short Kabar is a known quantity, and it is a very good knife to carry while hunting Whitetail and similar. We just have to remember not to do chin ups on the handle while the blade is wedged into a crevasse, or, chop down a 20" oak with it. Most of us can remember those limitations and avoid them without needing to check their manuals. What do we know about the capabilities of the Street Scrapper or the AD? Nothing. They seem to be immune to testing. Nuff said.
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superc: PM Noss4 and get his shipping info. so you can send him one of the smaller Busse or related knives you have mentioned. He needs the donation first. ;)

I smell Kool-Aid!
 
superc said:
The strength and weaknesses of the Short Kabar is a known quantity
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We know quantities? :confused: Are you talking about empirically derived numbers, or just general impressions based on qualitative tests?

Tony G said:
The idea that a knife maker’s products that use the exact same steel with the same heat treat need to be tested to destruction in every different size they make is a premise that I can’t see containing any logic.
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I don't know who this "Tony" guy is, but I agree with him 100%.
 
Busse makes knives. Damn good ones too.

Cold Steel markets knives. Unreliable ones too.

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tony... whoever you are... that is just plain mean :grumpy: beating a baby blade like that, what a pisser..
 
superc said:
Has anyone done a destruction test on a Busse Active Duty yet? T'would be interesting to see how it stacks up against an SRK or other cheaper tool against the cinder blocks and logs they get tested on.
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I'll put my money on the AD or a heavy AD, which is a little thicker... INFI is INFI, and I believe that it'll hold its own, even against blades outside of its size class.

superc said:
The weaknesses and strengths of the SRK are well known and there is no point in continuing to beat the horse after it has died. What I am not seeing are any 'to destruction' tests anywhere on knives like the AD or the Street Scrapper or any of the other more common smaller knives. Until we get some to destruction test results back we really shouldn't endorse the unknowns.

Consider the Street Scrapper with a 5" blade for $139. Now consider the Short Kabar with a 5" blade for $79.46. [Prices from the websites.] The strength and weaknesses of the Short Kabar is a known quantity, and it is a very good knife to carry while hunting Whitetail and similar. We just have to remember not to do chin ups on the handle while the blade is wedged into a crevasse, or, chop down a 20" oak with it. Most of us can remember those limitations and avoid them without needing to check their manuals. What do we know about the capabilities of the Street Scrapper or the AD? Nothing. They seem to be immune to testing. Nuff said.
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Well? What's stopping YOU from testing these knives that you mentioned??? Funny how you mention that "we" shouldn't be endorsing the 'unknowns', yet you are speculating negatively about these knives without knowing. Test one fairly. Post the results... THEN we'll have something to talk about. 'Nuff said.
 
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