Advise needed on pistol, Knob Creek Info?

I prefer Glocks to XD's without a doubt. They're the toughtest pistol there is IMO. You haven't ever read this post on Glock Talk you should. It is absolutely awesome. The torture test was done by Steve at Adcofirearms, I believe. Good guy to do business with, I've bought a lot of evil black rifle parts from him.
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=462537
http://www.adcofirearms.com

ETA Post #7 is the reason why I've never purchased an HK handgun.
 
I love my 1911's, both Series 70 models : Combat Commander, Gov Model. Carry my G30 everyday. I can't believe there are so many Glock haters. Hey If I could have only one pistol it'd be a 1911. In fact I have a Wilson, Baer, Brown, on my short list. Yeah the ergs are substantially diff, but I guess some adapt easier than others. It hurts to admit, but do ya really think a 1911 could take the same abuse as a Glock and keep working. I hated Glocks when they came out. Why? Beats me, but I love mine now. Easy to shoot, and feeds about everything but rocks. Again if I could have only one it would be a 1911. That being said I never ever thought I'd buy a 9mm, but a G17 is in my future. 32rd mags can be rather convincing. I do recall when Glock was the only one making a 10mm. Had something to do with cracked frames. Remember I'd give up my 30 in a second to keep my Commander, but the fact of the matter is Glocks work. Once you get over the smushed plum feel of the trigger they ain't that bad. The G19 is the only 9mm Glock I've shot ,and it was very easy to hit things with. Recoil was like my 1911 airsoft.
 
Tough to argue with Glock's reputation for reliability and durability. I think their finish/coating is as tough as it gets, too. In some respects I agree with rbmcmjr's remarks too, though.

1whobuys said:
Glocks are for girls and sissy's....

Get a real man's gun....a 1911 and shoot a real man's bullet.
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A itty bitty .45? ;)
You should try real Man's cartridge - the 10mm!! And Glock makes probably the most reliable and durable 10mm auto (I got around 7000 through mine, and it's hardly broke in). And I would take a .45 over a 9mm, too!
 
It does come down to what a person likes. The Brand and caliber debate will go on and on. I won't bash either. Heck, there are some who even dis Busse knives. Now THAT'S hard to believe!
 
Lycosa said:
It does come down to what a person likes. The Brand and caliber debate will go on and on. I won't bash either. Heck, there are some who even dis Busse knives. Now THAT'S hard to believe!
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I concur. In fact i like just about all pistols. Hell I'd carry a D Eagle if I had one...probably need to get one eh. My G30 just runs so good. Don't mind banging her around a bit either. I'm embarassed to say that after 10 years, I just recently tore her ALL the way down. Incredibly easy. I had it all apart faster than I could get my main spring housing pin outta my Commander a few weeks ago. Took her to the bone too. I truly do emphatically love 1911's. I want to trick my Commander out (trick is a bad choice of words) Match Barrel, sights, HD finish, and a few more items. Hell I came up with about 1200 or more, can't remember. Might as well get a custom. What I'll prob do is polish ramp, Wilson BP slide stop, firing pin and retainer, Crimson Trace Grips. Heard good things, and its cheaper then putting nice sights on it. Besides don't want to start machining on it. Want to fit , or at least see if a diff size barrel link might make a diff. Forgot fitting a bushing. Damn I'm just ranting away. Sorry guys.
 
While the subject is being discussed I'm just finishing the course to get my PAL here in Canada and I'm debating which pistol to pick up as a starter. The goal is to join IPSC. So far its narrowed down to these 3:

1 Glock 17 9mm
2 S&W M/P .40
3 Browning Pro 40

Any opinions?
 
Good info guys, I am heading out the door now to try em out.

Due to length regs, it will be between the G34 and the HS2000. I like the platsic fantastics (I thought I was the only one that called them that) due to weight and feel. I have shot the 17 years ago but can not really remember the feel. I do remember it was fun! :)

They did not have proper comp in my area back then, or a club, but now it is full bore and a few of us are getting into it. Should be fun. I will let you know what I choose.
 
I've owned both, and for me the XD has the best ergonomics. It's pretty much the Glock evolved. However, I sold my XD and own 2 Glocks now. Glocks are just simple. 17 moving parts, and you can have it stripped and back together in 10 minutes with practice. Add to that the fact that you can get Glock parts anywhere and usually pretty inexpensively, whereas with the XD's, there really isn't an aftermarket yet, and when something does break, often SA wants you to send them your gun so they can fix it. SA has a fantastic warranty, but on a combat OR competition gun, you're going to want to be able to fix things yourself and quickly.

If you're used to the 1911 ergos, you can adjust to the Glocks. They don't fit my had well at all, but luckily for me, my good buddy is the proprietor of www.boresightsolutions.com, and he's worked over both my 19 (carry gun) and my 21sf (HD gun).
 
Soulrack223 said:
I prefer Glocks to XD's without a doubt. They're the toughtest pistol there is IMO. You haven't ever read this post on Glock Talk you should. It is absolutely awesome. The torture test was done by Steve at Adcofirearms, I believe. Good guy to do business with, I've bought a lot of evil black rifle parts from him.
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=462537
http://www.adcofirearms.com

ETA Post #7 is the reason why I've never purchased an HK handgun.
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Sorry.

I'll take my P30 and HK45 over a Glock any day. :D
 
Torm said:
While the subject is being discussed I'm just finishing the course to get my PAL here in Canada and I'm debating which pistol to pick up as a starter. The goal is to join IPSC. So far its narrowed down to these 3:

1 Glock 17 9mm
2 S&W M/P .40
3 Browning Pro 40

Any opinions?
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It depends what's available up there, ammo-wise and magazine-wise. I seem to recall there is a 10 rd mag capacity limit, right?

The Glock would be right at home in "Production Division. While it would only be competitive in that division, you could also shoot it in Limited Ten division and score "minor" to everyone else's "major," but you would be allowed to use it.

The other two guns would be competitive in Limited Ten Division, They could be shot in Production Division, also. If you reload, you can crank out some pretty easy shooting .40 ammo that kick less than the 9mm. If you do not reload, the .40's will only be truly competitive in Limited Ten.

All 3 guns could be shot in Limited Division if you can get full capacity magazines. (They're not "high cap" mags, they are "Full Capacity" mags, since that's the capacity they were designed to hold!) If you're only allowed 10 rds, then it's Production and Limited Ten for you.

The Glock is long established in IPSC, but the M&P is coming on very strong. You won't see any Brownings in the hands of major shooters in the States.

I'd choose between the first two guns.

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I like Glocks, and am not familiar with the other. Just beware Glocks are not built to shoot lead reloads, so practice could get expensive.
 
Blackwind said:
Sorry.

I'll take my P30 and HK45 over a Glock any day. :D
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It's all just my opinion. I knew it wouldn't be a popular post, but you can't argue with the toughness and reliability of a Glock. There is no other pistol that could survive the torture test that Bigbore put that Glock through. Period. The ergonomics of a Sig are the best and the trigger on a 1911 is the best. The XD is a combination of all 3. I own all 3, but don't see the need for an XD. The plastic grip safety is yucky! :p
 
I'mGatMan! said:
I've owned both, and for me the XD has the best ergonomics. It's pretty much the Glock evolved. However, I sold my XD and own 2 Glocks now. Glocks are just simple. 17 moving parts, and you can have it stripped and back together in 10 minutes with practice. Add to that the fact that you can get Glock parts anywhere and usually pretty inexpensively, whereas with the XD's, there really isn't an aftermarket yet, and when something does break, often SA wants you to send them your gun so they can fix it. SA has a fantastic warranty, but on a combat OR competition gun, you're going to want to be able to fix things yourself and quickly.

If you're used to the 1911 ergos, you can adjust to the Glocks. They don't fit my had well at all, but luckily for me, my good buddy is the proprietor of www.boresightsolutions.com, and he's worked over both my 19 (carry gun) and my 21sf (HD gun).
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Agreed! Stick with Glock and if for some reason you don't like the way it points you could get a grip reduction/mod.
 
Torm said:
Thanks a million for the info. Is there any particular reason the Brownings aren't used by the top IPSC shooters?
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Lack of market penetration would be my guess. Until you asked the question, I didn't even know there was such a pistol.
 
Soulrack223 said:
There is no other pistol that could survive the torture test that Bigbore put that Glock through. Period.
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How do you know ? Unless you've subjected every other gun to that testing, it's mere speculation.

The ergonomics of a Sig are the best
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Many would disagree with this assessment. Most Sigs have a long trigger reach, coupled with a hard trigger pull which is augmented by a loooonnnngg reset, all of it combined with a high bore axis . But at least they're overpriced!

The XD is a combination of all 3. I own all 3, but don't see the need for an XD. The plastic grip safety is yucky! :p
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The XD's trigger can be made to rival, perhaps surpass, that of the 1911. And the grip safety is METAL, not plastic. I do wish they'd round the corners a bit more, tho.

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Let's not forget that while the 1911 is legendary, the Browning Hi-Power also enjoys a large and prominent following among gun collectors. It's ergonomics are very nice, and it's a sweet shooter. It just happens to be made in Europe (Belgium, I believe) and not have the market penetration here that Glock and others enjoy. Let's not sell it too short, though.

Jason
 
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