Advise on Steel Type To Use For Hard Use Hunter/Camp Knife -

D2 makes a great chopper. Its really tough when forged and heat treated right. I made a large skinner once, dam thing cuts through nails.
Larry
 
tacmedic45 said:
i would highly recommend 5160 over anything else. the resilience ? for shock is there and it is a proven cutter with superior edge holding capabilities over stainless.
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really :confused: which of the stainlesses have you compaired it to.
for superior edge holding capabilities ?? real tests by you hands on ..

that's a bold statement to say the least
 
52100 is just a high carbon, high chrome version of 5160 and stainless steel ? Isn't that just an extra high chrome version of 52100 ?? LOL
 
I really didn't meen to step on anyones toes with my statement just in my experience a carbon steal blade holds and edge longer and is easier to sharpen than any of my stainless knives that i have which are limited to a couple of s30v's and a kershaw onion in 440 a and a b/s bg42.. as far as 52100 i forged some this weak and unless ia m doing something wrong the 5160 was definately the superior blade. but then again i have only been makeing knives for real for abou 4 months and i started forgeing sunday of last weak.
 
Don't worry about it Tacmedic. All steels above mentioned are right in there. I believe alot of what you are experiencing may be the heat treatment of those particular blades. A good steel for a particular purpose can be compromised by the HT, at least. And - I am glad you went to the effort to try to help me here (even though, Like Dan I too was doubting the statement about stainless). ;)

Well guys, I started this thread really leaning toward 5160 or 1075 with 52100 as an also choice. I thought it wise to ask advise from those that make these type knives. Mete's 440B kinda through me. I never even considered any of the 440 series. I still don't know and there are some heavy hitters still out there that I am hoping to hear from yet. Dan's 1095 suprised me. I never would have thunk that with 1095. I was thinking it may not be tough enough. Live and learn and that's why I like asking first.

Thanks and keep'em com'in.

RL
 
The owner just notified me that he has pretty much decided it to be a 6 inch blade.

3V huh? Back to the 440 stuff again. I guess I better drag out the spec sheets on that. I just don't see stainless for this particular blade. The owner has told me I have my choice. I'm just leaning away from stainless on this one. No real good argument for the reason and that don't mean I can't be changed either.
 
3V would be nice choice. It would be like using S7 (sorry had to do it) but with much better wear resistance. Supposed to be a bear to work with. I was just joking about comparing it to S7 while it does have the better wear resistance it is only about half as tough :p ;)
 
"back to the 440 stuff again"

3V is not even remotely similar to 440. 3V would be a great choice. I was probably incorrect in assuming that he meant to forge this blade, and that's why I suggested the L6. 3V is probably my favorite stock removal steel.
 
Personally and granted i am a little slanted at the moment working with bill but and i dont know the answer to this but i think that the carbon steels would have better resilience or spring like qualities for a camp knife wasn't that one of ontarios things with the qs13 stainless that they used in the bagwell belle? they thought that 440a would break upon shock impact. if i am wrong i apologize in advance.
 
I'll have to admit that when I saw the title to this thread, Roger, my instincts all told me, "S30V." Tuff stuff. Zero maintenance.
 
CPM 3V is a great choice for a tough and wear resistant blade where you are not concerned with rust resistance. At 58 HRC it rivals S7 in the low 50s in toughness and will hold an edge much longer
 
shgeo said:
CPM 3V is a great choice for a tough and wear resistant blade where you are not concerned with rust resistance. At 58 HRC it rivals S7 in the low 50s in toughness and will hold an edge much longer
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Roger's heat treatment of S7 came out at 57HRC . This is from Crucible.

--------- HRC ---- Impact ft/lbs ---- Wear Resistance
CPM 3V -- 58 ---- 85 --------------- 6
CPM 3V-- 60 ---- 70 ------- --------- 7
CPM 3V -- 62 ---- 40 -------------- 8
S7 -------57 ---- 125 -------------- 1
 
tacmedic45 said:
Personally and granted i am a little slanted at the moment working with bill but and i dont know the answer to this but i think that the carbon steels would have better resilience or spring like qualities for a camp knife wasn't that one of ontarios things with the qs13 stainless that they used in the bagwell belle? they thought that 440a would break upon shock impact. if i am wrong i apologize in advance.
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:D no toes stepped on,, just a bold statement to make, I'm purty set on 154CM for SS but I would never say it's the best,RRR at least over my breath anyway :D

gadsss Roger I thought you said a chopper :confused: 6" :rolleyes: :D

use O1,, unless he's a knife maker with other steels under his belt he'll
see not enough difference to bother with. I'll bet 2 bucks on it.. :D
 
Rodger, why don't you wait until the cutting competition is over this month. I plan on using depleted Uranium, edge quenched in Crisco and tempered during a lightning storm while holding an umbrella on a golf course.

That may just be the answer to your steel question! :eek:

OH.....according to my dream, this will be even better than 5160! :yawn:
 
In a blade that size I've had equally good luck with O-1, A-2, and 1095.
Recently I've made two much larger pieces out of 5160. I've always made
large pieces out of 1095. The 5160 seems slightly tougher and easier to
sharpen than the 1095, but not much. I may try a different heat treater.
In a knife that size, I don't think it makes that much difference. I've had
perfectly good luck in a knife that size with both ATS-34 and 154 CM for those that insisted on stainless.
 
peter nap said:
Rodger, why don't you wait until the cutting competition is over this month. I plan on using depleted Uranium, edge quenched in Crisco and tempered during a lightning storm while holding an umbrella on a golf course.

That may just be the answer to your steel question! :eek:

OH.....according to my dream, this will be even better than 5160! :yawn:
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:D :D :D Hahahaha OK :D ouch :eek: :D
 
AND THE WINNER IS: Dan's 1095

Mete's 5160 recommendation is dead on correct. I know that from secondary-first hand experience, so to speak.

Jeff's S30V is a yes but the budget for this one is a no.

Contrary to my first instincts I disregarded 5160 for this knife - and really that is why I asked or I would have just settled on something such as 5160 without asking. My favorite source does not provide CPM 3V and his 52100 is round stock, only good for forging.

I am choosing 1095 because it is recommended by a maker I have high regard for (not taking anything from the rest of the makers that kindly responded), it was not among any I would have first chosen on my own, and because it is difficult to properly quench quickly enough by hand motion. Therefore I am attracted to it.

In the end, 52100 became my secound choice for this blade with 5160 very close by and 1075/1080 was next

Thanks all. I do not believe I saw a single steel mentioned I would not be happy to use, but there were a couple I would have put at the bottom of the list. S7 is not one of those couple of steels. 440B is.

RL
 
For what it's worth, the most consistent winner in the ABS cutting competitions is still 1084 I believe. However, Ray Kirk has won with 52100, and Dan Farr has won with 5160. My buddy Reggie Barker, the new ABS Cutting Competition World Champion took the honors with O1. And it was the same knife that he used to win three other competitions prior, plus second place in yet another. Of course, Reggie has won his share with 1084 also.

When you get down to it, there are a lot of really good steels out there that have the ability to do amazing things. The one that is going to perform the best for you as the maker is probably to a degree going to be the one that you have most knowledge of and command over. That was a common denominator with the guys mentioned above. They all knew their chosen steels very well.
 
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