There are many non-knife related forums here. Some are are quiet and polite and others can get pretty heated due to hot button issues like politics etc. My question is this......do posts in non-knife related forums influence your willingness to do business with the individual? Buyer....seller....maker...whatever.
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Affect of posts in non-knife related forums.
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Behavior does, a difference of an opinion does not have any effect from me.
If a clown is degrading this place or for that matter a companies advertising degrades the knife industry in any way. You can bet they will not see my business and you will win every time.
A while back I brought a couple of knives from Ann Dem (AKA Vlad the thief) at a good price. They were a B.M. limited edition bali and another limited edition B.M, at the time I had no idea that he was ripping people off. Once I found out, I hated those knives and sold them sending the all proceeds to VG. One guy brought one of the knives and told me to sell it again. So the new owners and the guy who sent the money to Judy's VG fund and asked me to sell the knife again were able to turn them into something that did some good.
The vast majority of knife makers (custom and production) and knife collectors are very serious about not being a part of anything degrading to their passion. You actually have to seek out people who do not walk that type of walk when it comes to knives. They stick out like a sore thumb in the knife world. I see this every year at Blade where thousands of people are in a large exhibit hall for 3 days. The quality of the people I meet is off the charts.
If a clown is degrading this place or for that matter a companies advertising degrades the knife industry in any way. You can bet they will not see my business and you will win every time.
A while back I brought a couple of knives from Ann Dem (AKA Vlad the thief) at a good price. They were a B.M. limited edition bali and another limited edition B.M, at the time I had no idea that he was ripping people off. Once I found out, I hated those knives and sold them sending the all proceeds to VG. One guy brought one of the knives and told me to sell it again. So the new owners and the guy who sent the money to Judy's VG fund and asked me to sell the knife again were able to turn them into something that did some good.
The vast majority of knife makers (custom and production) and knife collectors are very serious about not being a part of anything degrading to their passion. You actually have to seek out people who do not walk that type of walk when it comes to knives. They stick out like a sore thumb in the knife world. I see this every year at Blade where thousands of people are in a large exhibit hall for 3 days. The quality of the people I meet is off the charts.
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It can, I don't care if folks agree with me on opinions, but if I see someone being a lying weasel in one area of BF, I'm not gonna get into a buy/sell/trade with them.
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My thoughts as well. A difference of opinion alone isn't enough.
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It does affect my desire to do business with someone, but not to the extent that I would bad-mouth them to anyone else.
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Buyer - Not really. If they have a bad reputation for needlessly complaining, or being perpetually stupid, then I would think twice before selling to them. Then again, I've sold knives to kgriggs.
Seller - Only if they have bad feedback here or elsewhere that they did not own up to and correct.
Maker - Attitude does affect this one. There are a few makers I wouldn't buy from based solely on their attitude. If someone asks me about one of my customs, I like to be able to say "It's a great knife, and the maker is an excellent guy.", as opposed to "It's a great knife, even though the maker ...".
Seller - Only if they have bad feedback here or elsewhere that they did not own up to and correct.
Maker - Attitude does affect this one. There are a few makers I wouldn't buy from based solely on their attitude. If someone asks me about one of my customs, I like to be able to say "It's a great knife, and the maker is an excellent guy.", as opposed to "It's a great knife, even though the maker ...".
When it comes to makers. There are many I probably would not care for personally and I'm sure they'd feel the same about me based on speaking to them but I judge the knives separately and evaluate them without letting my feelings for who is behind it affect the overall feel and performance rating I give the knife or knives. I don't like Michael Jackson personally either and feel he is probably a child molester but I still find myself tapping my foot to his music and listening to it sometimes. No difference. I have and use knives from makers I don't care for and even like them.
Dealing with them in business like in sales or trades? As someone that did sell professionally for many years for a living I met with and dealt with both customers and wholesale reps I had to deal with like them or not everyday. I didn't let my personal feelings interfere with my business decisions then and I don't now. Well, at least as much as is humanly possible. Sometimes its hard I know, but to date I have not turned down anyone on these or any forums for a work requests from me even when we did have a run in and many times from just doing this and working with some that were shocked I'd even talk to them the slate was wiped clean and we then became better aquainted.
We have all had run ins here. Doesn't mean squat really. People all have bad days and good. Some days I've gotten crabby and found later in the day it was due to forgetting to take my meds that morning or at other times you just take out frustrations wrongly on someone else and it never is quite the same after that. Let it go. Life is too short. Many of my friends are voting for someone this coming election that I'd never vote for in my wildest dreams but I still call them friends even if we do disagree there.
STR
Dealing with them in business like in sales or trades? As someone that did sell professionally for many years for a living I met with and dealt with both customers and wholesale reps I had to deal with like them or not everyday. I didn't let my personal feelings interfere with my business decisions then and I don't now. Well, at least as much as is humanly possible. Sometimes its hard I know, but to date I have not turned down anyone on these or any forums for a work requests from me even when we did have a run in and many times from just doing this and working with some that were shocked I'd even talk to them the slate was wiped clean and we then became better aquainted.
We have all had run ins here. Doesn't mean squat really. People all have bad days and good. Some days I've gotten crabby and found later in the day it was due to forgetting to take my meds that morning or at other times you just take out frustrations wrongly on someone else and it never is quite the same after that. Let it go. Life is too short. Many of my friends are voting for someone this coming election that I'd never vote for in my wildest dreams but I still call them friends even if we do disagree there.
STR
Well, Bastid, since you didn't mention knife dealers (true, there aren't too many of us here on BF) I have noticed that we tend to keep out of the fray a little bit more than everyone else (you could say that we play it safe).
In general it seems to me that selling on BF as a Dealer may be quite different than selling on BF as an Individual and so like STR when he was selling as a living, I wouldn't let anything anyone posted anywhere turn me off unless of course they made it into the Hall of Shame...
In part I agree with you here... I don't like Michael Jackson either... beyond that, I won't give him any part of my money to sustain himself and his probable child molesting behavior (I'll tap my toes to his music, but I won't spend my money to BUY his music (and thus put my money in his pocket)).
This was the point I was trying to make in my first post re. the OP. I don't believe that it is "humanly possible" to completely disassociate what one "knows" about someone, from how one "deals" with someone.
"Hi, I have a great knife to sell you (one you've been looking for). I'm also a rabid Bush hater, rabidly anti-gun, an atheist, and I don't sell to "minorities". I simply LOVE Barack Obama and everything he stands for to the extent that 30% of every sale I make goes directly to him."
"Do we have a deal on this knife?"
"Feelings" about the seller/buyer WILL play a part (whether one admits it or not IMO).
THIS is the only reason that I MIGHT/would probably give ANYONE a first shot, when it comes to doing business with them... to get to know them better, and to possibly change my opinion through a better acquaintance and understanding of them (or possibly not).
I have no problem being their friend (depending on the rabidity of their views), but I probably wouldn't give them my money.
I had a good relationship with my publisher. After a time I realized that they took EXTREME positions concerning certain issues which I hold dearly. Over time, I found that they were atheists (this raised concerns about "trustworthyness" in my mind). They were "rabidly" anti-gun (negative points), "rabidly" liberal (negative points), and they "rabidly" supported the contention that the Government was TOTALLY behind, and orchestrated the terrorist attacks of 9/11 (negative "wacko" points).
On the issue of "trustworthyness" they eventually proved themselves "not trustworthy". They indeed held to a scale of "floating" morals and ethics (as I suspected they might).
I ended our relationship.On the issue of "trustworthyness" they eventually proved themselves "not trustworthy". They indeed held to a scale of "floating" morals and ethics (as I suspected they might).
What someone believes, and how fervently they believe and express it, is ALWAYS compared to one's OWN beliefs... and IMO, that WILL play a part in how one deals, or does not deal, with another individual. (it's impossible to consciously avoid the subconscious.)
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Take Mantis knives for instance...
It is a safe bet they will never see a dime of my support due to their behavior of calling their supporters to spam forums.
Dave
I forgot to mention dealers specifically and you are correct, the vast majority of dealers also share and protect our world and just like the rest of us; what few bad ones surface below the crowd and stick out like a sore thumb!
My apologies.
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But the sentence after what you quoted covers all of us
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It is a safe bet they will never see a dime of my support due to their behavior of calling their supporters to spam forums.
Dave
I forgot to mention dealers specifically and you are correct, the vast majority of dealers also share and protect our world and just like the rest of us; what few bad ones surface below the crowd and stick out like a sore thumb!
My apologies.
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But the sentence after what you quoted covers all of us
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Apologies accepted
Here's my 2c. There are dealers who are selling knives, as opposed to, let's say electronics, because they care about knives and then there are dealers who are only selling knives because there's more money to be made selling knives.
Now you can be honest and professional even if you aren't passionate about selling knives. But, in my opinion, if you are passionate about selling knives you can't be dishonest and unprofessional. So those bad knife dealers out there are not giving knife people a bad name, because they aren't knife people at all!!!