AHHHH!!!!! Problem after de-assisting my 586!

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Krissig12

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Im really scared now. I took out the spring and safety and everything went smoothly when disassembling and reassembling. I put it back together and adjusted the pivot before putting the scales back on, but when i went to flick it after it was fully assembled, it was WAY tighter than i had gotten it when adjusting the pivot. My theory is that the screws for the aluminum bolsters go through the stop pin and when they are tightened, they pull the liners together and make the pivot tighter in turn. But i have never heard of anyone else having this problem, and you'd thing a design flaw like this would have come up for others when de-assisting. And if im right, how in the world could i fix it? Am i missing something? Can someone help????:(
 
every one i could find..... But none had this problem. I did exactly as they did, but when i put the aluminum back on, it made it too tight. But somehow theres were just fine?:confused:
 
The screws at the top are just there to hold the stop pin in place and help keep the scale flush they shouldn't be so tight that they pull the liners together causing the blade to bind at the top. Loosen the screws slightly and that should fix the issue. I would also use some low strength thread locker (very small amount) to keep them securely in place.
 
Way ahead of you. I loosened them a little, but the problem remained. So i kept loosening them until it helped a bit (very little), but at that point, they were almost falling out. And I distinctly remember they werent this loose from the factory. They were screwed all the way in when i first took the knife apart, so there must be something im missing....
 
Is the stop pin binding when you inserted it into the liners? Try and remove the stop pin and put it in the other way, it shouldn't be in there tight.
 
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Well then it may not have anything to do with the stop pin, maybe try adjusting the pivot some more. That's all I can think of sorry :confused:
 
It gotta be the stop pin. I just know it. When everthings together except the stop pin screws, it still works fine, but it stops when i tighten those screws so it must be that. Problem is, that doesnt make any sense! Maybe this IS how its supposed to be, but the speed of the assist allowed it to overcome the tightness so it was unnoticable before? But that wouldnt explain why everyone else was able to de-assist....
ARRGGGHHH!!!!!!!! THIS is why you shouldnt disassemble benchmades!
 
Alright, I give up. I found a decent happy medium to the point where I can disengage the lock and flick it closed with minimal effort and it is fast to open as well. The centering is off by quite a bit, but isnt threatening to touch the liners, and the lockup is still rock solid in all directions. SO, I think this is the best i will get anytime soon and will just leave it as is. Ill also try cleaning it and lubing it up. Thanks for your help anyway
 
Yeah that sounds strange, maybe try and tighten only one of the stop pin screws down tight leaving the other out and see if the issue is still there, then carefully tighten the last screw so it is just snug and retest. If the stop pin isn't binding then screwing only one screw in should have no effect...

Edit: Glad you got it acceptable, maybe it will wear in with time and you can readjust it.
 
If you have it put together just mail it off to Benchmade for Warranty they'll fix it right up.
 
But i took it apart and voided the warranty..... Besides, for whatever reason, I think putting the spring back in will fix it. So if I reassembled it properly with all the peices back in so that i could send it to benchmade, It would probably be back to working fine and that would defeat the purpose. And I cant very well send it in as is and tell them that I changed their knife and that I need them to make the changed version work how its "supposed" to LOL
 
The Barrage series have a steel sleeve that goes around the "D" shaped stop pin.
It sounds very much like this piece is missing.
It could have easily dropped out when you were disassembling or re-assembling.
Without this sleeve the stop pin screws could be tightened enough to bind/compress the pivot.
Check it out, see if the sleeve is gone.
 
Thanks keyman, but I'm sure it's in there. Although I may have somehow put it in wrong I guess...I'll try switching it around some more
 
Welp..... I have officially destroyed this knife.

I broke an omega spring while flicking last night, so I figured I would just put the spring and safety back in and ship it off to benchmade for warranty. But when i put it back together with the stuff in, i found that something was causing the liners to be too far apart, which made the axis lock bar become tight between the liners and therefore unusable. By this point the second omega spring had died on me as well. SO... now im left with a broken, tight, springless axis lock. And because the locks gone, I can open it with the original kick, but it wont lock in place either open or closed. Im not kidding..... I have to lock it closed with the safety or else the spring fires it out..... Talk about a dangerous thing to ship to benchmade......

Do you think theyll still fix it for me if I said the lock had mysteriously failed after i tried opening it the first few times? Maybe theyll chock it up to being a lemon that slipped past QC
 
Krissig12 said:
Im really scared now. I took out the spring and safety and everything went smoothly when disassembling and reassembling. I put it back together and adjusted the pivot before putting the scales back on, but when i went to flick it after it was fully assembled, it was WAY tighter than i had gotten it when adjusting the pivot. My theory is that the screws for the aluminum bolsters go through the stop pin and when they are tightened, they pull the liners together and make the pivot tighter in turn. But i have never heard of anyone else having this problem, and you'd thing a design flaw like this would have come up for others when de-assisting. And if im right, how in the world could i fix it? Am i missing something? Can someone help????:(
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Sorry, but I have to take issue with your statement here. Why is it a "design flaw" when you modify the knife to work NOT as designed??

Krissig12 said:
But i took it apart and voided the warranty..... Besides, for whatever reason, I think putting the spring back in will fix it. So if I reassembled it properly with all the peices back in so that i could send it to benchmade, It would probably be back to working fine and that would defeat the purpose. And I cant very well send it in as is and tell them that I changed their knife and that I need them to make the changed version work how its "supposed" to LOL
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Krissig12 said:
Welp..... I have officially destroyed this knife.

I broke an omega spring while flicking last night, so I figured I would just put the spring and safety back in and ship it off to benchmade for warranty. But when i put it back together with the stuff in, i found that something was causing the liners to be too far apart, which made the axis lock bar become tight between the liners and therefore unusable. By this point the second omega spring had died on me as well. SO... now im left with a broken, tight, springless axis lock. And because the locks gone, I can open it with the original kick, but it wont lock in place either open or closed. Im not kidding..... I have to lock it closed with the safety or else the spring fires it out..... Talk about a dangerous thing to ship to benchmade......

Do you think theyll still fix it for me if I said the lock had mysteriously failed after i tried opening it the first few times? Maybe theyll chock it up to being a lemon that slipped past QC
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Translation: I have really broken it now. Do you think if I lie through my teeth they'll be fooled and fix it under warranty even though it's obvious that I've messed it up?

Take the spring back out and ship it to them to restore to factory condition -- on your dime, of course. Have some integrity.
 
loonybin said:
Sorry, but I have to take issue with your statement here. Why is it a "design flaw" when you modify the knife to work NOT as designed??



Translation: I have really broken it now. Do you think if I lie through my teeth they'll be fooled and fix it under warranty even though it's obvious that I've messed it up?

Take the spring back out and ship it to them to restore to factory condition -- on your dime, of course. Have some integrity.
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Agree. You screwed up. I've deassisted a few Barrages and had no problems.
 
I know, I know. But still, the omega springs broke under normal use after it was put back together so that should be covered by warranty. I could probably fix everything else myself through simple tinkering, but I need them to replace the springs since it's well known that they won't send them out. And if I sent it in for that, it's highly improbable that they would send it back with the other problems still there so....
 
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