AI Knives

Quiet said:
As you've already inferred, but the issue is, the same issues present here, are present there as well. An actual "artificial intelligence" is generally defined by sentience. No sentience? Then it's just a machine learning algorithm with a ton of pitfalls. There are no sentient artificial intelligences behind closed doors, and there are no algorithms on either side of the door that can take a mass amount of data, extrapolate accurate information from incorrect, or misinformation, and present that to the user as an output.

Now, if your job is something that consists of doing a series of repetitive spreadsheet based tasks or other such basic things? Yeah, your job is probably in question at some point. Does your job involve making complex decisions with complex data that will require multiple "Well...it depends..." rational analyzation at some point? If so, then no, "ai" won't be doing your job anytime soon.

"How can you know that?"

Easy. If we had such technology, self-driving cars would already be a thing (a real thing, as in, you could buy it at your dealership right now today). Until they figure out something "smart" enough to correctly be able to decide "who gets to live" in the case of a complex auto accident, your job is safe.

There is no version of an "AI" algorithm tool owned by any company anywhere that's tremendously, generationally more advanced than these cheap AI apps you can download onto your phone. More sophisticated, but possessing the same logic errors.

- Signed, a guy in the technology and cybersecurity industry

ETA: Forgot to add another example. How do we know there aren't any companies with mega advanced "AI" out there? Simple. If they had it, you'd know it because that company would have a valuation in the tens of trillions.
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when it does happen one day, I only hope it names it self skynet......
 
David Mary said:
I'm actually almost impressed with this one.... until you learn that the prompt was "Fixed blade knife for EDC on a white background" 🤣

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A little JB Weld should "fix" that issue, no problem. 😉 To quote the 1960's TV show, "We have the technology." JB Weld should be included in the handyman's holy trinity, along with WD-40 & duct tape.

Thx to all who've commented so far.

Since the AI input data contains some (mostly?) human generated content, as someone who spent a few decades in computer tech support interfacing with real live humans addressing the things they did 🙄, I'm betting there's always going to be plenty of unimaginable quirks, anomalies, and outright stupidity in the output. As others already said, Garbage In = Garbage Out.
 
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David Mary said:
The concern about preserving the integrity of human creativity is valid, especially in an age when machines are increasingly encroaching on spaces traditionally seen as uniquely human. But I see AI differently: as a tool to facilitate human expression and ingenuity, not a replacement for it.

Analogy

Imagine telling someone who has lost the ability to walk that they shouldn’t use a wheelchair because walking is a deeply human activity. Most of us would never dream of denying them that tool, because we recognize that technology can empower people to participate more fully in life, not diminish their humanity.

Not everyone has the motor skills, time, training, or even financial resources to draw or paint well, but they still have creative visions, emotions to express, stories to tell. Why shouldn’t they have tools that help them bring those to life?
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The big problem with that analogy is that everyone can paint. It doesn't matter if it's good or not, a person can put paint to canvas and create something. It doesn't matter if someone else doesn't think it's artistic.

I don't think anyone considers the use of a wheelchair cheating. If anything, it's a hindrance in the modern world. AI is akin to an able bodied person using a scooter because they don't feel like walking.

If they use AI, they've created jack sh*t. All they've done is typed in a few words, and a computer somewhere gobbles kilowatts of electricity compiling bits and pieces from things other people have created to form a picture. You can't put personal touches on a piece of art you haven't created.
 
StuntDouble said:
The big problem with that analogy is that everyone can paint. It doesn't matter if it's good or not, a person can put paint to canvas and create something. It doesn't matter if someone else doesn't think it's artistic.
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What matters is if the person who created it feels that it expresses what he or she wants it to express.
 
StuntDouble said:
I don't think anyone considers the use of a wheelchair cheating. If anything, it's a hindrance in the modern world
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It was the first thing that sprung to mind. Other analogies could be made but the point I’m making is that there are many things we rely on as tools to help us accomplish goals, be they locomotion, creating images, music, whatever.

You can find purists who think that electric guitars are cheating. I think they are full of baloney.
 
StuntDouble said:
If they use AI, they've created jack sh*t.
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There was already an idea in the person’s mind. They created the prompt. Everyone is quick to say garbage in, garbage out, and it’s true. If you craft a bad prompt you’ll get bad or inaccurate image.

StuntDouble said:
You can't put personal touches on a piece of art you haven't created.
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Let’s say you didn’t create the image but a computer did based on your prompt. That doesn’t mean it cannot be further added to, refined, combined, spliced, etc by the use of other tools such as paint.net which I have used for that very purpose.
 
I have a big problem with someone claiming that they created an image if it was an AI generated image. Because that’s lying. But I have no problem with someone creating prompts to generate images and share them as expressions of their inner truth, hand modified afterwards or not. You consider them to have created nothing. So be it. It doesn’t bother me.
 
David Mary said:
I have a big problem with someone claiming that they created an image if it was an AI generated image. Because that’s lying. But I have no problem with someone creating prompts to generate images and share them as expressions of their inner truth, hand modified afterwards or not. You consider them to have created nothing. So be it. It doesn’t bother me.
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Then we shall have to agree to disagree.
 
StuntDouble said:
Then we shall have to agree to disagree.
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If that means you don't want to talk about it anymore, that's fine. If not, though, and you're willing to help me understand, then I have a question.

A few weeks ago, my brother, who has little to know artistic talent, bombard my phone with images he generated using ChatGPT based on funny ideas he had to combined the names of some well known automobiles with various foods. The images made me and some friends laugh quite heartily, and it was an overall enjoyable exchange that lightened my day. In your opinion, should he have not acted on his ideas at all, or struggled to create his own artistic representations, or hired an artist on fiverr, or...?
 
I don't think there's any harm in creating memes and the like using AI (If you disregard the grossly disproportionate use of electricity compared to normal computer usage). The main issue I have is when people use these AI programs and hold up the end product as art that they've created. They may have provided prompts, but in the end the machine did all the work. And I get that not everyone has the time or skill to paint, draw, write, etc..But that's part of what makes art meaningful. It takes time, it takes skill, and it shows off a person's style and individuality.

I'm not a knife maker, but I imagine it takes a lot of skill, and a significant time investment to become good at it. When you consider that, on top of equipment costs, there's quite a barrier entry into the field. Now, imagine if there was a cheap machine that someone could type a bunch of words into, and it manufactures a complete knife without a single human hand touching it. You can even tell it what maker's style to make it in. I can only speak for myself when I say that I wouldn't call that person a knife maker.
 
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