All Spyderco becaming illegal???

Why single out Spyderco? All knives with thumb studs are one-handed openers. Therefore, unless they want to put the whole industry out of business, this is another stupid regulation that will never be enforced (automatic knives are already illegal, and you can buy them very easily).
As for Russia, I thought you guys were carrying more effective weapons...:D
 
I really hope for you Americans nothing will happen, it' s already bad enough here in Germany:(
 
Why single out Spyderco? All knives with thumb studs are one-handed openers.

To get OUR attention personally instead of the more broad notice in the general discussion area. And I think he did a good thing.
 
Unarmed citizens are merely subjects. Like in England, Scandinavia and the rest of Europe (I should know, I grew up there.)
 
Unarmed citizens are merely subjects. Like in England, Scandinavia and the rest of Europe (I should know, I grew up there.)

Its cute that you think having a knife or firearm is being "armed" in the face of tanks, planes and aircraft carriers.

While you may have been able to revolt when the constitution was written and rifles were the cutting edge of technology that is no longer a possibility. But thats so not the point, knives are tools and not weapons, and these rulings impact the effectiveness of our tools in situations where one handed opening may be important (car accident? caught in rope? etc.) as well as impacting a 6bn industry that gives jobs to a lot of americans.

I cant say that Im nationalist enough to scream and yell when jobs get sent over seas, but I cant stand to see jobs just thrown away for nothing. Ritter doesnt strike me as the paranoid type, so when he says that htis may affect one handed opening knives I am listening.
 
Its cute that you think having a knife or firearm is being "armed" in the face of tanks, planes and aircraft carriers.
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I cant say that Im nationalist enough to scream and yell when jobs get sent over seas, but I cant stand to see jobs just thrown away for nothing.<snip>

It was actually a quote, but its quite true. And it doesn't even matter if its a weapon or a tool, legislating this way is a form of control. And by controlling your environment, they are taking away your most deadly weapon, namely your ability to think for yourself. The more "little" things that can be taken away, the more "big" things they can get away with, because you think its normal. Go read George Orwell's 1984, then tell me that he did not see England going in this direction (and the world is following, like lemmings over a cliff.)

As for jobs being sent overseas, it should alarm you, even if you're not "nationalist enough." I'm not even a US citizen, and I think its horrifying, because I see the friends and family I have here suffer because of it. My mother in law can't retire because she can't afford health insurance. She has worked in the same company since she was 18, and they just made her take a pay cut, because they are sending more and more stuff overseas. If it wasn't for the Chinese messing up production all the time, she wouldn't have a job at all, fixing their mistakes.
 
It was actually a quote, but its quite true. And it doesn't even matter if its a weapon or a tool, legislating this way is a form of control. And by controlling your environment, they are taking away your most deadly weapon, namely your ability to think for yourself. The more "little" things that can be taken away, the more "big" things they can get away with, because you think its normal. Go read George Orwell's 1984, then tell me that he did not see England going in this direction (and the world is following, like lemmings over a cliff.)

Ok first I would like to say that I have read 1984.

To actually adress your point, how paranoid can you get? I fail to see any connection between legislation of weapons and my ability to think freely. In fact, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the government to legislate the way you think. To prove this point I would like to share with you a story I heard of a jewish college professor who was forced into a concentration camp. Though they beat him, starved him and could have at any minute ended his life he got out in better mental health than his captives. Every day he relived his lectures and he basically lived inside of his mind during his captivity. Do you think a law can take away your mind? If someone can tell YOU how to think you are weak. Thats really the end of it.

As for this whole "slippery slope" business I do not think it fits historically. If you look at trends in western democracies, we see a steady, but extremely slow trend towards more civil liberties. There are, on occasion, short lived major revisions but they almost always correct themselves (right now we are corrected from the reactionary revolution). A good example of this is the economic system we have in this country, during the new deal people were freaked out about that slippery slope and look here in 2009 we are essentially (and sadly) where we started.

You are free to take a short sighted view, there may even be merit in that. But I am not such a person to invest so much into something I know will eventually correct itself. I do however, wish to avoid any inconvinience with LEOs that may result from me (and my collection) moving.

What is that quote from by the way?


As for jobs being sent overseas, it should alarm you, even if you're not "nationalist enough." I'm not even a US citizen, and I think its horrifying, because I see the friends and family I have here suffer because of it. My mother in law can't retire because she can't afford health insurance. She has worked in the same company since she was 18, and they just made her take a pay cut, because they are sending more and more stuff overseas. If it wasn't for the Chinese messing up production all the time, she wouldn't have a job at all, fixing their mistakes.

Well I dont think your view is very thoughtful. People outside of the united states need jobs too, perhaps they need them more.

look Im sorry about your mother in law but thats really unfair to blame that on outsourcing. wouldnt the best solution be to simply fix health insurance by having a single payer system so she doenst have that expense and could retire? Say she didnt have to take a pay cut, she might still get denied coverage in an emergency because of some "pre-existing condition". And before you say "that wont happen", my dad works in medicine at a large hospital and you see it ALL the time. I wouldnt be going into retirement myself unless I had enough money to cover the worst case scenario in medical bills because you can get dropped like a rock and have no way to help yourself.

Anyway, we have gotten off topic so Ill leave it here.
 
Ever wonder why you're not wearing chains befitting a slave of the Empire ?

It's cheaper this way. ;)

I guess They feel it would be safer if we didn't have weapons. It's an old, old, story. Doesn't say much for schooling these days.
 
I'll be writing my letters tommorrow. Too tired tonight and I think we have at least until June 21 so today or tomorrow should be the same. This has to be stopped this is utterly ludicrous!!

Mike

By the way, everyone, join Knife rights.org they are the only ones fighting for us.
 
Its cute that you think having a knife or firearm is being "armed" in the face of tanks, planes and aircraft carriers.
There is WAY more to cover here than I have time for, or what I feel the moderators will allow for. Bottom line, they try to take more personal freedoms everyday. You are welcome to lay down if you like; I'm not. I obviously can't fight the weapons you mentioned, but one thing is certain, I have a LOT better chance with my "assault weapons" and any other tool I can fight with... than standing there with my private parts in my hands.
 
Why single out Spyderco? All knives with thumb studs are one-handed openers. Therefore, unless they want to put the whole industry out of business, this is another stupid regulation that will never be enforced (automatic knives are already illegal, and you can buy them very easily).
As for Russia, I thought you guys were carrying more effective weapons...:D

Back in Soviet Union entire population were as unarmed as much as possible so even spontaneouce resistance with working tool can be easily handle by local law enforcement. I think it has simple psichology behind - commy perfectly know what they wee doing to people of Russia and so were afraid to be panished by angry victoms. They do not really care much about criminal world - they were armed but they were doing their thing without interfering to much with rulers, they were organized and can be reasoned or dealed.

But they fear uncontrolable hate among perfectly lawful population for what commy did to them. And to minimize this problem they ban almost anything which can be used to hurt them on personal level. This of course make general public extremely vonurable to criminals, but who care? They can not do any harm to rulers and this is only what is important. Any weapons were banned, hunting rifles need to be registered, many knives were banned - no blade lock were available, even martial arts - like karate, were banned.

In terms of army - yes I still believe that Russia has best weapons in terms of design, but not in terms of production. But this has nothing to do with general population. Willing to disarm their enemy - people of their country, they will as well arm their guards best, of course, and from enemies abroad as well. Snecnaz has "Val" and "Vintorez" but general public can not have fixed blade knife with guard - even now (however locks on folders are not banned any more).

Thanks, Vassili.
 
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As I understand and one0hand-opening knives became illegal soon -

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651013

So all Spyderco have hole - which is trademark and this makes then all illegal at once. Until Spyderco make this hole 1/8" in diameter or something to make it useless.

This is like back in USSR.

Thanks, Vassili.
Classifying one hand openers as automatics? wow, and I thought our Government was stupid lol.
 
I think folks are getting a little paranoid as well. Not saying that we shouldnt do whats necessary to keep our rights and if you are conncerned then you should be writing letters, But I just dont think its as big of a threat as people are making it out to be.
 
I did not read all the posts I would just like to say for all US citisens. Write those letters!!!!!
 
I think folks are getting a little paranoid as well. Not saying that we shouldnt do whats necessary to keep our rights and if you are conncerned then you should be writing letters, But I just dont think its as big of a threat as people are making it out to be.

Well, this will make 80% or more knives produced now in US illegal for many companies - entire production, like all current Spyderco knives for sure, rather then this - no biggie...

Thanks, Vassili.
 
To actually adress your point, how paranoid can you get?

If you look at trends in western democracies, we see a steady, but extremely slow trend towards more civil liberties.

You are free to take a short sighted view, there may even be merit in that.

What is that quote from by the way?

Well I dont think your view is very thoughtful. People outside of the united states need jobs too, perhaps they need them more.

wouldnt the best solution be to simply fix health insurance by having a single payer system so she doenst have that expense and could retire?

Anyway, we have gotten off topic so Ill leave it here.

I'm not paranoid, I'm taking a stand with the principle of not legislating against things that will have no impact on crime. People who don't care about harming other people don't care about weapon laws, so will carry a weapon anyway.

What western democracies? Look at Europe, civil liberties are being curtailed again and again and again, for "our own good." Especially look at England and Scandinavia. Especially look at how they are making weapons/tools illegal, and then look at their rising violent crime rates.

Its not a short sighted view, its a "nip it in the bud" view.

I have no idea where the quote is from, I read it somewhere on this forum, it might be another forum member for all I know.

People outside the US do need jobs, you're absolutely right. But not at the expense of your job, just because they can do it cheaper.

I totally agree, you need to fix health insurance in this country, I just don't see it happening, and thus me and mine still need a job to not die in the gutter, in case something happens after a corporation outsourced our job to China.

I'll leave it too. I think overall we probably agree on most things, we just have a different path to our views. In any case, lets do something about this silly proposal :thumbup:
 
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