All this talk of guns....

The steel case shouldn't harm a chamber -- the case is very soft and usually coated with laquer or something. If it breaks an extractor, that extractor was garbage and needed to be replaced anyway.

There is nothing weird about steel cases. The US government has used them for small arms ammunition in the past with no real problems. (In fact, it has certain advantages.) It's still used routinely for aircraft ammunition today by those who can't, or won't, make aluminum work. You'll see it used a lot in the big guns as well -- training ammunition aside, I never saw any 40mm or 25mm that was not steel-cased.

What worries me is not what the Russians use for cases, but the rest of the ammunition. I've noticed troubling inconsistancies -- first, a worn out Glock barrel (which most folks tell me shouldn't have happened), and now minor pitting of a Fulton Armory AR-15 barrel which had seen a few thousand rounds of Wolf and little else, discovered after its annual decoppering session last night. The lands are unmarked and the rifling is sharp, and as far as I know accuracy hasn't been affected, but it shouldn't have happened.

I still have some laying around and I still intend to shoot it, but I've made up my mind to look at other options when my budget permits. I now have doubts that I didn't have in the past.

In light of this, I'm reluctant to try it out in my Carbie, which seems to be quite collectible -- especially not when less questionable ammunition is available for only a little more.
 
Rishar, maybe I'm all wet on this, but early Wolf ammo was Russian surplus and some of that stuff, if old enough, had corrosive primers.


munk
 
Both the Glock and the RishAR-15 saw a lot of Wolf when it was new on the market. It was cheap and I had money. In fact, I only finished shooting off the last of my green-cased Wolf 5.56mm a few weeks ago and I still have some of the .45 ACP left.

IIRC it was advertised as non-corrosive from the start. (Then again, Chinese milsurp 7.62x25mm was advertised as non corrosive as well when it first hit the shores and that ate up one of my barrels too.) That may be it. The newer stuff looks and smells better than the old stuff, whatever that's worth.

Like I said, I'm not done shooting it, but I'm done shooting it in firearms of value. When I run out of XM855, I may just pick up some more Wolf if the price is right...but you can bet that I'll be taking proper precautions while cleaning.
 
That could be explained by the time that presentation of advertisment reached you, and probably most of us, it was non corrosive. Earlier, either with a different ad exposure, or no ad, or whatever, might have contained corrosive. I remember the corrosive issue as something that was 'fixed' early on; not that it was not there.

But my memory is like looking at materials floating in the tornado Dorthy in the Wizard of Oz saw when she first flew to Oz.


munk
 
Hey guys,

Great thread, what extra care should be done in the cleaning process when shooting potentially corrosive milsurp ammo?

My Finnish 39 is ready to tear up some targets and I gots to know! (Dirty Harry movie line)

Thanks much,

Billy
 
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