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Alone in the wild - Who's watching?

InfidelShootist said:
According to the show which I did watch, large game was out of season and against the law to shoot.
He was complaining how much better off he would be if he could shoot large game which he did see.
I suppose I wouldn't film myself poaching but in a so called survival situation feeding myself would take priority over game-laws.
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starving, (in my view) = survival situation....

another thing: (and correct me if im wrong but do these so called "reality" ( :rolleyes: ) shows not have safety protocols built in, ie: if the main star is STARVING they stop rolling and feed him? call a medic? )
 
I felt a little bad for the guy. At first I thought that he was stupid because I saw what I thought were good opportunities to get food that he just let go by. I also think that setting out only 3 snares was a lame attempt. But the other part that sucked for him is when I started to realize he was required to wait for hunting season so he was trying to do this with one hand tied behind his back.

Clearly he seemed to have been in a little over his head.

I wondered if all the crying was related more to his screwed up body/brain chemistry due to the starvation. Don't know for sure but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

He did make it 50 days. Not an inconsequential feat. I wonder what he could have done if he wasn't hamstrung due to some of the rules.

KR
 
I don't necessarily fault him for his tearful break downs but if it were me I would make sure the camera was off when I did it. Also, as for the large game, yes in a survival situation go for it however when you are filming a show for TV you obey the laws. He even made a comment at one point that if this were a real survival/life or death situation he knows he would take down the large game and have plenty of food. I give him some props for making it 50 days, that is a nice little clip, he just should have controlled his emotions on camera a little better imho.
 
I agree with Kr1-

I wondered if all the crying was related more to his screwed up body/brain chemistry due to the starvation. Don't know for sure but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
I'd be lonely and a bit afraid too...and probably bored out of my skull sometimes. But the weepy bugger knew what he was getting into...and got paid to do it. He was always one call away from "rescue." When he was running out of food he radioed in and they dropped in supplies. Sure, there was some risk, but he was not in a survival situation by any stretch.
 
What did you expect from the U.K.? these people are to civilized and sensitive (wimpish) to really cut the mustard. Think about it, They can't own guns nor hunt, they have no real wilderness left, so all they do is weekend backyard bushcraft (play pretend). Of course they're going to cry in the Yukon!! Did I mentioned they love drama?
 
I hope the new Cody Lundin/Dave Canterberry show puts "survivor" type shows back on the right track how Ray Mears and Les Stroud started out, no more action junky madeup special forces action superstar rambo types. I wanna see people that are competent in what they do and how they do it and don't need to rely on stunts to keep an audience.
 
The Ice Bear said:
I hope the new Cody Lundin/Dave Canterberry show puts "survivor" type shows back on the right track how Ray Mears and Les Stroud started out, no more action junky madeup special forces action superstar rambo types. I wanna see people that are competent in what they do and how they do it and don't need to rely on stunts to keep an audience.
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+1:thumbup: i hope that show turns out good to. Im watching all the Ray Mears vids on youtube right now. I wonder if he will produce any new shows?
 
Hawkings said:
Yeah, but that is just it, its not a survival situation.
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Exactly right. I think Wardle's biggest problem was that beyond existing in the woods for some ill defined period of time he had no real goal to work toward, and thus nothing to really occupy his mind. His days completely lacked structure. As a result he grew depressed. It happens to people in the comfort of their own homes.
The constraints on his food gathering imposed by the fish and game laws took the show completely out of the realm of survival, or for that matter even subsistance living and helped guarantee his failure.
In my view the show provided some interesting lessons on the importance of planning, having quantifiable goals, maintaining order in one's thoughts and actions, and having realistic expectations. Unfortunately, it did so by a complete lack of any of these things.
 
Bushman5 said:
starving, (in my view) = survival situation....

another thing: (and correct me if im wrong but do these so called "reality" ( :rolleyes: ) shows not have safety protocols built in, ie: if the main star is STARVING they stop rolling and feed him? call a medic? )
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He had the ability to call in support. How do you think he called it quits before his 3 month (?) journey was over? Because he could call it off when he had enough, he was not in a survival situation. He was hungry, but was not stuck. I agree with the others that have expressed the opinion that because he was doing a show and not really in a survival situation, killing of game out of season is out of the question. To do otherwise in that situation is POACHING, not surviving.

On a related note, what are the laws concerning downing of trees on public land in Canada? He sure did seem to be very free with cutting down trees. Here in the states it is illegal to chop down trees in national parks, forests, and wilderness areas. You have to have a permit to gather downed wood for firewood as well.
 
I wonder if- with a little political wrangling- one who intended to do a show of this sort could procure a set of permits that would allow said person to take a deer and/or a moose and/or a bear or shoot a few ducks, or keep an under/over sized fish (regardless of season)? If one did secure permits for a few species that are known to be in the planned filming area, then one could film a show like this and legally take the game that is in the area. Heck, why not just make the show during a legal hunting season? You don't have to shoot a deer, but but the option would be available.

Again, my view is that if you are making a show then you follow any and all applicable laws.
 
hlee said:
I wonder if- with a little political wrangling- one who intended to do a show of this sort could procure a set of permits that would allow said person to take a deer and/or a moose and/or a bear or shoot a few ducks, or keep an under/over sized fish (regardless of season)? If one did secure permits for a few species that are known to be in the planned filming area, then one could film a show like this and legally take the game that is in the area. Heck, why not just make the show during a legal hunting season? You don't have to shoot a deer, but but the option would be available.

Again, my view is that if you are making a show then you follow any and all applicable laws.
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My guess is that winter is the time that most animals could be taken and they didn't want him out there in winter. They seemed to have timed it so that he would be pulled out just as winter arrived. I suspect because of a couple of problems. First if he was there during the winter they would need to wait until the lakes were heavily iced over so they could land aircraft on skis because I don't think they could rescue him with the float plane if there are even small chunks of ice on the lake. They probably could do it with a helicopter but again there are risks involved with that also especially in bad weather which likely becomes much more prevalent in that part of the year.

His survival in winter would have been much harsher especially without a decent shelter and like I said the availability to secure a rescue much more uncertain.

I agree that the artificial guidelines in what is supposed to be a survival situation struck me a ridiculous. Some form of accommodation should have been able to be made to make this more realistic if realism was what was being attempted. You would have thought that National geographic would have had the resources to do this right. I am far more disappointed in NatGeo’s attempt at this then Ed’s attempt. They should have been able to set this up in a much better fashion.

KR
 
BoxANT said:
I have to give him a nod. How many people have gone over a month alone in the woods?
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As long as my bills are paid and I get to pick my gear? Sounds like a vacation to me. The only part of civilization I would miss would be my wife.

Let me wife come along and I say pick me up in about a year.
 
Millions have gone alone in the woods.

That's kinda how we got here. People in small groups and alone explored and eventually settled.

Trappers did it. Gold miners did it.

Heck, plenty of people have done it!
 
PrimitiveMan said:
Millions have gone alone in the woods.

That's kinda how we got here. People in small groups and alone explored and eventually settled.

Trappers did it. Gold miners did it.

Heck, plenty of people have done it!
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How about I come up and film you living with the Pinies for a few weeks. We'll see how you survive among them :)
 
I saw two of the episodes and had to stop. He did cry a lot and he missed a squirrel with a shotgun. Whatever happened to the animal nature in man? I work in a hospital, under artifical lights and sterile environments and I can't wait for time off to go out camping or backpacking. I crave even a weekend where I can go out on a night hike alone in the woods at my state park. The cool night air, the dim light of the moon, there is something that makes me feel more alive. When was the desire lost to be out in nature? When were we taught to fear nature and not be apart of it?
 
I am up for that!

Anytime!

I can survive pretty well out there. Not a lot of game, but I am not about to die. Set the rules and get a camera buddy.

Regards,

Carl-
 
Ed Wardle has my respect. He had no real training and managed to survive in the remote Yukon wilderness for 50 days.
The isolation and lack of good food sources, I believe, can easily break a man.
 
He started balling a few days into it and never stopped. The isolation and lack of food should have been minimized by the knowledge that he could (and did) call for food at any time, get rescued at any time (and did), and by the paycheck that he received for his 50 days of self-imposed discomfort. I may not have lasted 50 days, but I'm fairly confident that I would have (most of us would have) done our time with more grace and thoughtfulness. I don't get the feeling that he's a bad guy, but I find all the drama a bit disingenuous.
 
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