alternatives to paracord & a micro block and tackle

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Sorry this may offend the paracord lovers out theres. Oh well. :yawn:

I dont like paracord. Plain and simple. It is too thin, hurts my hands when hauling up the bear bag into a high limb, the knots are hard to get undo, impossible with cold numbed hands, the outer sheath abrades easily and it does not handle heat well under load (arching over a branch, with a load like a pack or bear bag). It is useless :thumbdn: for rescue, and i would not use it for rescue even its that all i had. Some people say you can remove the core for fishing line. yes you can. Whens the last time any of us were so bad off we needed to rig makeshift fishing lines from paracord? ;)

Nope, its rare i use paracord.

I prefer a 4 mm STATIC KERNMANTLE rope. STATIC ropes have less than 2% stretch and have a BRAIDED SHEATH and CORE (kernmantle). The load is supported 95% by the CORE, and 5% by the SHEATH . The SHEATH is there to protect the CORE from abrasion and cuts, its like armour. The 4mm size is perfect for most hiking/camp tasks and (WITH CARE) can be used as a rescue line (NOT for overhead lifting of live loads though!). It is a perfect size for use as a tag line for hauling a lifeline up a cliff or over a stout limb.

STATIC KERNMANTLE lines are mostly nylon/ polyester construction. The sheaths are (not always) made of polyester, which is very abrasion resistant and somewhat heat resistant (this is not your dads 70's polyester :D ). There are other materials used in static ropes, but they are for very specialized uses and are too expensive for woods use.

A 4MM static line will have a load rating of 320KGs (700LBS) (average industry standard). It is easier to handle than paracord, and knots are easier to untie. The rope does not go "flat" under load, rather it stays nice and round. It has a solid round feel to it, yet once used a few times becomes butter soft in the hand. A 50 foot length packs down very small into a pocket or pack. Thanks to solution dying, one can get hi viz colors, mixed colors, plain ol black etc.

4MM static line

So now we have a hard wearing, strong light line - whats next? well we can add two carabiners to our line, makes it easy to rig up tensioned tarp ridge lines or to clip several packs to when storing them out of Bruins reach.

We can also add a couple of "MICRO" rescue pulleys, like the CMI single or the CMI double

these micro pulleys are rescue rated and have a load rating of 5000 - 7000lbs MAX, and can be rigged by the hiker in a mechanical advantage system. Perhaps there is a log you would like to move by yourself for a shelter, or perhaps a raise a log up for a deadfall. Maybe your ATV is stuck. A mechanical advantage system ( wether a Z rig or a 2x4 sheave block and tackle or other setups) is a valuable thing to have in the woods. A simple block and tackle setup a person can move large heavy objects by hand, with LITTLE physical exertion. Perhaps your arm is broken, you can still move heavy objects with one hand, depending on the setup you choose.

A few bits of gear like this take up very little room in a pack, are very lightweight and can be utilized in many ways. :thumbup:

somehow plain ol paracord has lost its appeal by now. :cool:

i'll get some pics up of my little kit by tonight, need the GF's cam....and i'll definitely get some action pics next BC Crew hike of the gear in action.
 
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I have, but i prefer the "sheath & core" static lines.Price being one reason, at .15 cents a meter locally for kernmantle static lines, VS 5 - 10 bucks a meter for Spectra.......

Spectra is SIGNIFICANTLY stronger, a 4mm spectra line with handle 1800lbs (straight pull, when rope is NEW) but my reservations are that spectra has NO outer sheath. Instead they rely on urethane coatings for abrasion resistance. Yes Spectra floats, its VERY strong, its great for marine throw rescue lines, but i feel in a woods environment it comes up short.
 
any climbing shop, online climbing store, rescue supply etc. Brands include Bluewater, mammut, sterling etc
 
thats not the point i was making. Paracord is limited in it performance.

Run a length of paracord with a 3 day pack full of food, attached to it, over a tree limb a dozen times and tell me how abraded the paracord gets.

do the same with kernmantle line 100 times and tell me if you see any wear other than light fuzzing.

run paracord thru a set of double sheave micropulleys and put a log on the end. Time how long until the paracord snaps.

do the same with kernmantle line.

its a performance issue, not a price issue. 10 - 15 bucks for a high performance line seems pretty cheap to me.
 
I have, but i prefer the "sheath & core" static lines.Price being one reason, at .15 cents a meter locally for kernmantle static lines, VS 5 - 10 bucks a meter for Spectra.......

Where did you find .15cent/meter?
I could only find it in the .80cents range... :grumpy:
 
thats not the point i was making. Paracord is limited in it performance.

Your probably right about the performance. But there is a cost/benefit issue for most.
100' of paracord - $8
100' of static K - $50 or more?

Not worth the money from what I'm reading so far.
 
Your probably right about the performance. But there is a cost/benefit issue for most.
100' of paracord - $8
100' of static K - $50 or more?

Not worth the money from what I'm reading so far.

You would have to be sure to have that 100' of kermantle with you when you need it!!

Whereas, that same $50 of paracord allows you to have it literally EVERYWHERE at once! I have para cord bootlaces, paracord bracelets, paracord hat bands, paracord rifle slings, paracord wrapped knife and hatchet handles, paracord just laying around in kits, paracord laying around in spools. I literally have so much paracord laying around it's almost "disposable" as I know I'll always have more around. BTW, I don't think I've spent $50 on paracord over the years either, because I started buying it at $5 per 100' and I'd guess I have about 600' in various colors too!

Just my $.02 worth!
 
Oh, come on, now, really. Paracord is not THE answer to everything. You guys act like someone convinced you it's duct tape, for cryin' out loud.;)

I carry ten feet of paracord in my pocket everywhere I go. It will do a LOT of things most other cordage of that diameter won't. I would no sooner write off paracord for not being ideal for constant use, under all conditions and for any purpose than I would the saw on my Vic for not performing like a larger folding saw or my P38 for making my digits sore after opening six #10 cans.

Paracord is great stuff. It will perform well beyond its relative cost and size and none of us really have any room to complain about its performance at anything other than its performance on a parachute - and only then if it actually doesn't work. If you try it for any other use and it serves you well, all the better. If you don't like the way it performs or like something better, use that and move on.
 
You would have to be sure to have that 100' of kermantle with you when you need it!!

Whereas, that same $50 of paracord allows you to have it literally EVERYWHERE at once! I have para cord bootlaces, paracord bracelets, paracord hat bands, paracord rifle slings, paracord wrapped knife and hatchet handles, paracord just laying around in kits, paracord laying around in spools. I literally have so much paracord laying around it's almost "disposable" as I know I'll always have more around. BTW, I don't think I've spent $50 on paracord over the years either, because I started buying it at $5 per 100' and I'd guess I have about 600' in various colors too!

Just my $.02 worth!

I can fit 100 feet of 4mm static K line in my cargo pocket. In my 3 day pack i can fit close to 500 feet in the middle pocket, almost 2000 feet in the main compartment. It packs smalls.

just saying. I have paracord too, about 25 feet. Do i use it? no, the odd time for shoelaces.
 
I can fit 100 feet of 4mm static K line in my cargo pocket. In my 3 day pack i can fit close to 500 feet in the middle pocket, almost 2000 feet in the main compartment. It packs smalls.

just saying. I have paracord too, about 25 feet. Do i use it? no, the odd time for shoelaces.

Now you are working against yourself - it packs small and then 25ft of paracord you only use for the odd shoe lace. What does that all mean!
 
Apples and oranges man. Paracord is a high strength utility cord not a rope. It would be foolish to climb or rescue with it unless it was the only option, but its good to know that it is strong enough to support a large human in an emergency. If you think you'll need a real rope then bring a real rope, but to me paracord is invaluable thanks to its incredible utility. it can be used for just about anything, the stuff is cheap, lightweight, and damn useful. would you cut up your pricey 4mm static K line to hang clothes out to dry, set some snares, hang a hammock, build a lean-to, and suspend a deer for field dressing? I bet not :p
 
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If I think I'm going to need a rope as a safety line for river crossing etc, I will take a decent thick one. And if we had bears in the country, I'd possibly have a dedicated line system similar to the one suggested by Bushman.

Paracord isn't so common down here. I have a lot of braided nylon cord in several different thicknesses. It costs about NZ$20 a spool from a local supplier to the fishing industry. It is used for maybe rigging trawl nets and general jobs. Dunno what the length is on the spool. I think all spools are around the same weight and the same price.... but if you buy thinner cord you get more length....hundreds of feet maybe.

Non-stretch (or minimal stretch line) like polyester has its advantages I guess. If I were making a bow string I'd choose a line with minimal stretch. But for snares and other jobs, I think the stretchiness adds a degree of shock-absorbing ability which may make all the difference to a snare breaking or not breaking. That is one reason I like nylon. In a climbing situation I'd rather have a stretchy rope....If I fall I'd rather have some shock absorbed by the rope rather than coming to an instant stop from maybe twenty miles an hour. (take bungy jumping for instance).
 
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