Am I lucky or WHAT?

Don, Thanks for the reply. I'm not out to flame or be flamed, so don't think I am trying ta pick a fight.

I have liner locks, lockbacks, and axis locks in my collection, havn't had a problem out of any of em.
I have done the dreaded spine-wack on a few of em, mainly out of curiosity, and found it to be inconclusive.

I beat the hell out of a BM710, and only ended up peening a small divit in the tang of the blade where it contacts the lock bar.

The reason that I worry about the strength of the lock as it relates to the spine, is if I am up against an armed opponent, and he tries to knock the knife out of my hand, with whatever he has, (stick, bat, rock, another knife) ends up stricking the blade , there is a possibility, however slim, that the lock will fail, and that could interupt the flow of my day. :D

Actually, IMO, one of the safest lock designs may well be the Crawford top lock. No pins, not compromised by twisting the knife, and kinda like an intrigral lock, the tighter you grip it, the stronger the lockup.

Comments, for or against?
 
Is the Crawford Top Lock more or less the same lock that was used on the A.G. Russell "One Hand Knife?" If so, looks pretty strong to me.

As far as getting the blade wacked "in the fray" of things, that is more of an issue when you have a larger blade and it is "out there" in the fray. Folders tend to not be out there so much because the methodology is a bit different from small knives to large knives. (Well, at least it is supposed to be, but you still see people treating folders like they are large fixed blades.)

I think for the spine wack test to be valid in the real world, you would have to go around wacking people in the skull with the spine of the blade.
 
Originally posted by Don Rearic
Is the Crawford Top Lock more or less the same lock that was used on the A.G. Russell "One Hand Knife?" If so, looks pretty strong to me.
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Yes sir, it is.

I think for the spine wack test to be valid in the real world, you would have to go around wacking people in the skull with the spine of the blade.
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I can't count the number of times I have been tempted to do just that.
 
That's perhaps the most annoying part of it.
The rampant "ME TOO-ism" of it all.
Let ONE person start a thread that says, "I have a minor problem with my Emerson." and within minutes it seems, a dozen people are in there screaming and hollaring that THEIR Emerson is a pile of crap TOO!
(Even though the original poster didn't SAY that.)

Of course, when you ask these people if they returned their knife to EKI for repair/replacement, the answer is an almost universal "No, I just said heck with it and threw it in the sock drawer."

First, I have to doubt the credibility of someone who says they're willing to basically discard a 200 dollar knife rather than send it back for free repairs.

Geez Fellas! I'll help you unclutter your sock drawer and give you 10 bucks for every Emerson knife you send me, and I won't even ask what kind of CONDITION it's in!

In fairness, one BFC member had a Commander that he felt did not lock up well. After reading a post by me in one of the "Flame Emerson" threads, he contacted me in private and asked me if I wanted the knife.
Huh?
SURE!
He sent it, and even though I offered to pay for it, he wouldn't accept so much as postage money.

I got the knife, and the lockup IS kinda funky. It doesn't click in HARD like my other Emersons do, but I have tried every way I can think of short of a spine whack test (invalid test as Don points out) and I can't MAKE the lock fail, so I haven't even bothered to send it back for repair. I don't think it NEEDS repair.

(BTW, if you're reading this, Thanks again, Bud!) :D

Maybe that's part of the problem.
EKI knives are built for people who know their knives WELL.
People who prefer to tinker a bit and get their knife EXACTLY the way they want it, rather than accepting it however it came from the factory because it CAN'T be tinkered with.

IMHO, YMMV, and all that stuff.
 
Big D1

I wrote this some time ago:

Quote John Hollister:
Has anyone else noticed the "Naysayer" pig piles that go on here on the Internet? I could post a string called "My (insert popular knife here) gave me worts" and thirty people would swear their's did the same thing and further that it caused degenerative bone lose.

One maker rep I was talking with put it pretty well. "One guy would post that his 'model name' had a defect in the lock. Alright, sure, it can happen. Then twenty people would jump in screaming about their knife having the same problem. The whacky thing is, we may have had two or three knives returned for this problem in the history of our company and here are twenty people screaming with the same problem. OK, maybe a bad run, it happens. I say 'Call me, here's the 800 number, we'll make it right' . . . . no calls, no returns, no nothing. A week later someone mentions a loose pivot on his 'model name', then the same twenty people scream that their knife has exactly the same problem. Again we do the 'call me, we'll fix it . . . "

Granted problems do occur. Without a doubt.
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Again, makers are going to have issues. Does the black wear off the screw heads? Sure it does. Is a blade off center every now and again? You betcha. But all any maker can ask is that if there is a problem, that they be allowed to make it right.

Damn near every maker out there has been bagged on hard on the Internet for their "Quality Control", including Micro Tech and the at least twice winner for the Blade Show quality award, Chris Reeve Knives.

I try to stay out of the "this ones quality sucks" and "that ones quality sucks" <u>clucking</u> any more. I take it for what it is.

As Don mentioned, "Emerson Bashing" has been refined to a freakin Sport around here . . . . prior to the gaggle of responses you got, there was another that including the usual and accused the Emerson Forums folks of bagging on other makers. I asked the poster to give an example of such behavior and also added the following:

Quote John Hollister:
I know overall, the "Usual Suspects" have been very supportive of other makers products. Not only higher end products like MTs and CRKs, but also "lower price pointed" knives, specifically CRK&T (I own several myself).

As a matter of fact, I'd say that the Emerson forum folks are less prone to pointlessly bashing other makers then some other folks around here.
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No response was to be had.

Big D1, you did the right thing in sending your knife in to have your problem corrected, I sincerely hope that your knife is corrected to your satisfaction.

Take care

John
 
I figured I would pile on this thread! I only have 3 Commanders, 2 Mach 1s, 1 CQC7A, and 1 mini 7A, but they are all pretty damn sweet. All I can say is that if I order an Emerson knife, I don't worry about how it will look and work when I get it. I can't say the same about Benchmade or even Microtech. I have had brand new BM's (3 in fact) that would not shave arm hair. I had a spear point SOCOM with a chip in the blade and bent over point right out of the sealed plastic bag. Shit happens, I did return all these knives for money back. I don't believe anyone that says they had a problem and don't want to fix it, they only want to bitch about it. that is useless behavior.
 
Mitch, a/k/a "Memnoch," has not been online this evening or night, or he would have came on and verified what I said earlier.

I have had three E-mails since I posted that, from folks wanting to know what two locks failed.

I'm not even going to blast the locks in private to people I don't know, it will [could] ahve the same effect. "Rearic says the lock is crap."

Hey, I GOT some STINKERS...I don't trust them. If people don't trust EKI Products, don't BUY THEM...but don't sit and drool in the General Forum with an erection waiting for the next dude to come along with a problem so you can start whining about Ernie anointing himself King of The Knife World.

I don't trust certain things because of my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. But the difference is, I don't go and urinate all over threads, as a rule.

I just don't buy the Product.

And...alot of these Emerson Bashers don't even own, and never have owned, an EKI Product.

They just hate Emerson, and I think that is for reasons I already stated.
 
Don - careful if you DO start pissing on those threads - your lil Rearic might get a nasty shock from the monitor. :D
 
I read your post Don. It was as you said it. But I really did not hit the blade that hard, I just tapped it on the arm of a sofa and when it skipped I was stunned.

Oh did I get yelled at for doing it, but I still feel the test is somewhat useful. Sometimes weird shi+ happens. No, I don't use tha back of the blade to hit people, but if I need to hook something in reversegrip thats kinda the same stress on the blade.
 
Originally posted by memnoch
but I still feel the test is somewhat useful. Sometimes weird shi+ happens. No, I don't use tha back of the blade to hit people, but if I need to hook something in reversegrip thats kinda the same stress on the blade.
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"Kinda the same stress applied" is not really accurate. I'm far from being a Physicist, but there is a distinct difference between a sharp rap on a table as the Original Test was performed by Barr and passing an incoming arm or leg with the back of the blade in forward or reverse grip. More power can be applied to that hooking pass in reverse grip, but it still does not impart the sharp, rapping shock to the spine that the original test did.

In other words, it is not the power, but the way the power is transferred to the spine. How fast and how sharp.

A person's arm or leg, which you will be passing is not a table. Hence my comment about smacking people on their skull with the spine.

The way the force is applied is different. Think of this...

When you pass an arm or a leg in reverse grip, is that usually a circular, downward motion in the form of a crescent, or do you move in a linear fashion sideways to hook the limb?

You don't move in the way that the A.T. Barr Spine Test is performed. That is straight, linear downward.

Another reason I have ful faith in Emerson's Liner Locks is this...

I have used that Commander Trainer to perform these movements on people. When I examine that lock to that of a new Emerson I purchase, if they are locking up the same. That's confidence.

We could bounce this back and forth forever. Tables and desks do not move either, when you hook a limb, it will move. Even if you drive the point down into the arm on the hooking motion, even if the point hits bone, the arm will move. So, even driving the point down into a table or desk would not be the same thing.

But, we could end all of this with saying the following;

If someone gives me the cost of my Samson Custom Balisong, which is about $500.00, I'll let you destroy a table with the spine of it, you get one hit per dollar, so you have to hit it 500 times. I get the knife back, the money is just for Shits & Giggles.

I'll still have a pretty good folder at the end of the spine wack testing.

The point being, these things fold in the middle. They're folders and you can only make them so strong.

Darrel Ralph Madd Maxx Dagger anyone? There is one hell of a strong fighting folder and you can still buy them.

I continue to giggle... :D
 
Hey Everyone.
I'm not trying to get into any kind of contest, but i've had my share of LEMONS, I had bought a BM-mini AFCK and guess what?? after not to much use The liner lock started failing big time,so I started to use it as lasering sample,why didn't I send it back? dunno, I guess cuz I thought it was a normal thing until I JOINED THE FORUMS! and guess what I still got the knife. I just burned the crap out of it!!
BTW good lasering media :D
 
Chris,
Not only did I write my name on it but burned different PD logos,
ground those off and did some more and not only to the blade but the G-10 scales as well.Needless to say this piece of equipment is no longer useable. geez that was fun!!!
 
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