Amazing knife

Carry and use it for a while longer, then the flaws will start showing up.
Thats what i find with cheaper knives, had problems with even a Tenacious and a CRKT drifter, good knives but after extensive use they developed problems (worn out lock, lock rock, screws, etc...)

Now for example a PM2 or a Delica, they get better and smoother over time, and that just for a few bucks more ;)
 
I'm really hoping the OP was just pushing a few buttons with some humor. [emoji1374][emoji23].

Anyway, I picked a couple up last year just for fun when the walmart monster thread was running along. With the price, heck, everyone needs a true beater. You know, like when it's all you have around to dig in gravel, or pry something you would never do with an EDC.

Does it have value? Sure. Is it worth more than selling price? Probably. I would guess that in the knife world, it's an $8 knife that can be had for under $4. In all respects a true bargain. But to compare it to the brands above is laughable.



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I still like it. And yes it may be laughable. But something to consider is the price and function. I am simply trying to understand if this knife can be made and sold for 4 bucks why can't a really good knife be made and sold for 100. Are I'm I simply saying your not really getting what you pay for in a lot of cases. Yeah I know once you pull the trigger on some of the expensive knives you have to defend the purchase its human nature but at the end of the day how could a user knife be worth what a great deal of them cost? I can fully understand the collector knife but the user knife costing upwards 150 just doesn't seem practical. Maybe that's why when I see those expensive user knives in pics it's either in a coffee shop, with a beer mug, or chopping up steak. Just funny to me that a guy buys a 150 plus pocket knife that's built like a tank to cut open his mail and chop up his food and worship while he's drinking his beer and coffee, while most solders I talk to that need a tank are carrying around a Gerber. I know this upsets a few people here and there I love the look and sure a 150 plus knife probably has some kind of special quality but at the end of the day it's not worth it unless you are collecting and not using because everything has its breaking point

All that being said I'm pulling the trigger on a benchmade 707 today! I love the axis lock, 154cm, and I am left handed.

But hey the ozark trail knife has its place. And it can't be denied. I will not post anymore about it since it upsets so many people to know a good knife can be had for way less than we typically pay. I have a breaking point and fill truly that anything above 150 can get real questionable real quick. It seems that price vs quality is in complete balance between 100 and 150 any thing else is just showing off. If you buy a knife above this price point I am simply stating you could disappointed. It would be interesting to me to see how many people bought knives that cost over 150 who were disappointed. But I suppose those people don't say much here because they would be shunned by what ever fan club existed out there

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Tbmfish said:
I still like it. And yes it may be laughable. But something to consider is the price and function. I am simply trying to understand if this knife can be made and sold for 4 bucks why can't a really good knife be made and sold for 100. Are I'm I simply saying your not really getting what you pay for in a lot of cases. Yeah I know once you pull the trigger on some of the expensive knives you have to defend the purchase its human nature but at the end of the day how could a user knife be worth what a great deal of them cost? I can fully understand the collector knife but the user knife costing upwards 150 just doesn't seem practical. Maybe that's why when I see those expensive user knives in pics it's either in a coffee shop, with a beer mug, or chopping up steak. Just funny to me that a guy buys a 150 plus pocket knife that's built like a tank to cut open his mail and chop up his food and worship while he's drinking his beer and coffee, while most solders I talk to that need a tank are carrying around a Gerber. I know this upsets a few people here and there I love the look and sure a 150 plus knife probably has some kind of special quality but at the end of the day it's not worth it unless you are collecting and not using because everything has its breaking point


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You've stated that you own a mini Grip, a ZT 0450, and a PM2 and you still feel you can compare those proven knives to a 4$ disposable knife? I feel you are simply trying to get a rise out of many of us.


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Quality at 4 dollars and quality at 100 dollars seems to come up short. Let me show you what if the 4 knife had a say 154cm blade, how much would that raise the cost? Maybe 10 bucks, what if it had a ball bearing maybe 4 bucks, and than what if the designer typed in the specs to house all this in his computer and pushed print, after all the same machine that made this knife is perfectly capable I am sure to do this, but the problem is now the knife is 200 bucks, not really more work involved, material cost not that much more, it's a production knife period, it's not like it was handmade and hammer forged. Get all in a tizzy if you want but it is what it is. Really if you can produce a 4 dollar knife this good and you have to admit for 4 dollars it is a pretty good knife, why can't an amazing knife be made for 50 or 75, the thing is they are they just cost way more than that.


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That knife is not a good knife. You might think so, I don't. It's cheap because it's contracted from China, by a huge American retailer that demands the lowest possible price. It's a fair knife for the price. Nothing spectacular about it. You gushed over it and claimed it, was "head to head" with ZT even. No blade play? Right, if you don't try to feel it, there's none. A moderate amount of hand pressure had mine, loosened up quickly. For the price it's ok, but it's not something other manufacturers could learn from, as you stated. If anything it's Walmart/China learned the basics of making a functioning knife, as cheaply as possible from China and they learned from the higher end companies. Nothing all that ground breaking, just a cheap tool for the masses.
 
Tbmfish said:
Quality at 4 dollars and quality at 100 dollars seems to come up short. Let me show you what if the 4 knife had a say 154cm blade, how much would that raise the cost? Maybe 10 bucks, what if it had a ball bearing maybe 4 bucks, and than what if the designer typed in the specs to house all this in his computer and pushed print, after all the same machine that made this knife is perfectly capable I am sure to do this, but the problem is now the knife is 200 bucks, not really more work involved, material cost not that much more, it's a production knife period, it's not like it was handmade and hammer forged. Get all in a tizzy if you want but it is what it is. Really if you can produce a 4 dollar knife this good and you have to admit for 4 dollars it is a pretty good knife, why can't an amazing knife be made for 50 or 75, the thing is they are they just cost way more than that.


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And if it had all of that, but still buckled the way Jill got it to? It's still a cheap knife. Material cost is only part of the equation here, because when you factor in proper heat treats for higher end steels, tight tolerances, high fit and finish? The price sky rockets. A 154 CM blade would cost a hell of a lot more than 14 dollars because of this unless you have the same issues that 420j blade does. For 4 bucks it's a pretty knife knife, yeah- but in the higher price ranges, your quality isn't comparable. . You can like cheap knives, but you cannot liken a cheap knife to a higher quality knife. A 4 dollar knife will not stack up to a 100 dollar knife. Usually around the 65 dollar mark is where I tend to see the biggest shift in quality. But as you move up, as you work with these more and more expensive and quality built knives? You get a sense for what makes them that way.

If we are looking into manufacturing processes, there is a reason why china tends to get a bad rep. They aren't all badly made cheap pieces of shit (hell some of their 13crmov stuff is decent for their respective prices, see CRKT), but they won't perform as well as a higher end knife. Returns are hard to see if you're not overly familiar with them however. Lock up durability varies by materials used and construction with said materials. Knife steel varies by purpose, from your stainless steels, to your super stainless steels to your rugged carbon steels. And within those categories lends even more variation. Steels try to blend toughness, corrosive resistance, and edge retention (with higher rockwell hardness allowing for more acute edges). There is a lot that goes into a knife, just like how there is a lot that goes into a movie, or music, or medicine, or any field.

You get what you pay for (in general).
I am more of a fixed blade kind of guy, but honestly? You can buy a victorinox for only a little bit more, and that will serve you better if your are a more frugal buyer (people carry them with the more expensive blades, because they're lightweight and they serve their purpose)
 
Tbmfish--you will be happy with the Benchmade you're getting. That is a very nicely made, functional and solid knife. If you are new to the Axis Lock, you'll like it too; I find it to be a solid way to lock the blade in place...I only mention it b/c today, we hear of all different lock systems like button, CS's Triad, Axis, compression and on and on. It's hard to know what works and what may not. Incidentally, the 4 I listed happen to be quite good:D
 
All of this is just a rehash of the China=garbage controversy. Cheap Chinese knives can be a WAY better value than you think (insert blasphemy); my SanRenMu 710 bought during all the sebenza-clone
hand wringing of a couple of years ago still has a solid lock-up and holds a tolerable edge. Good as a Spyderco or Benchmade? Let's not be stupid. A more-than-credible knife at the price point?
Absolutely.
 
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All of this is just a rehash of the China=garbage controversy. Cheap Chinese knives can be a WAY better value than you think (insert blasphemy); .
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Agreed, it was kind of buried in my post but it's in there. Though in my mind, cheap and good value are not the same. Cheap implies poor quality.
 
Agith said:
Agreed, it was kind of buried in my post but it's in there. Though in my mind, cheap and good value are not the same. Cheap implies poor quality.
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A question of semantics, but I agree. "Cheap" can have several connotations, but my reference was related to price.
 
Lots of apt adjectives to describe this knife.......amazing is NOT one of them.
Joe
 
One big flaw it has is those small thick plastic washers. It would hold up to side stress a lot better with thinner, larger washers made of metal. That's where I noticed it gave when I stressed it side to side. Since it doesn't flip very well I don't know why they use plastic, unless it's the cost.
 
Revolverrodger said:
This is a good knife for light duty
I carry it when I travel so I won't mind losing it
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I bought this same knife in Hawaii on a vacation in March. I did not want to take any of my better knives. It did fine for what it is for a couple weeks of beaches, tourust stuff, a little hiking and goofing off.
 
You are absolutely right. A great knife can be produced and sold for a $100. Give or take 20 bucks. But your $4 WalMart special is not in the same league. Just give it some time. From what I can tell it is truly an amazing knife for four dollars but, it, in it's self, is not an amazing knife when you look at the big picture. It's just a decent knife for the price point. If I badly needed a knife and only had five dollars, I might consider it but, I doubt it because of the ergos.

Keep in mind it is not always just about the price or cutting edge. Many times it is the brand, designer or workmanship. Just to name a few things. A $25 dollar Casio watch keeps better time than a Rolex. Hell, a Rolex clone normally keeps better time than the real thing. So why do people buy Rolex watches? Design and workmanship of course. It is not about price. If it was, then everyone would wear Rolex clones.

The same holds true with knives. Just ask any Sebenza or Insingo owner. Most of the time I will buy a knife base upon design and ergonomics first, materials second and then $$$. Sure, brand and reputation come into play also but after the items listed above.

Tell me, what normally comes first, for you, when considering a knife purchase? Is it price, like it was this time?
 
About the only sub $20 knife I'd trust would be a Victorinox. Of Course the Vic Explorer I have was 50 bucks. I can see getting a well put together 4 dollar knife as often as a hundred dollar lemon of a knife. There's no way I'm buying what you're saying about the blade though. Those blades might take a good edge but will dull with not much use. They'd make a great knife for developing free hand sharpening techniques though. If anyone wants to learn free hand sharpening, those cheap Walmart blades would be perfect for that.
 
bt93 said:
About the only sub $20 knife I'd trust would be a Victorinox. Of Course the Vic Explorer I have was 50 bucks. I can see getting a well put together 4 dollar knife as often as a hundred dollar lemon of a knife. There's no way I'm buying what you're saying about the blade though. Those blades might take a good edge but will dull with not much use. They'd make a great knife for developing free hand sharpening techniques though. If anyone wants to learn free hand sharpening, those cheap Walmart blades would be perfect for that.
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That would be the only reason to buy one BT......sacrificial.
Joe
 
Kershaw blur is a great knife for less than 100

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