American Indian Religion

Dave, it's an interesting fact of life that in the pursuit of knowledge, the more we learn, the more we realize the ever-increasing vastness of our ignorance. But it is this awareness of our ignorance which propels us to redouble our pursuit of knowledge.
 
Double Trouble.

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But we are all qualified to speak of humanity, at least that part we've experienced.

And those of us most ashamed of what we've been and done are often those with the most to teach. What a pity, and also what a joy to learn from humble people who treat themselves and others with gentleness and compassion.

Quietone, thank you for your response, and the kind spirit in which it was made.

On another thread, ( the everlasting one ) Uncle Bill commented on the landbridge speculated to have existed between Russia and Alaska.

If I remember correctly, some native americans find the theory of man moving over the landbridge pollitically incorrect. This is because they feel landbridge theory can be used to argue that the indians were as much immigrants as the europeans, just very much earlier, (if I understand).
 
From my understanding, that's not the reasoning. I have heard a few reasons for this. One- the Ancients have said that the Native peoples have been here since the beginning of time, and we usually take their word. Second- areas like the Appalachian mountains are among some of the eldest mountains in the world, reinforcing the belief that Natives have been here since the beginning.

The Cherokee (Tsalagi) story that I was told is that Tsalagi and others came from an island called Elohi Mona. That land was destroyed and the Creator moved the people to Turtle Island and they became the 5 major tribes in the SouthEast, (this would be way before the Bering Straight migration time frame).

Yvsa can correct me, about discussing this as well.
 
Kind of reminds me of the boy who was so surprised to see how much his Dad had learned while he was away at collage.
 
There have been recent news stories about a study conducted lately where the conclusion was that the less competent the subjects were, the better they thought they did, i.e., incompetent people did not realize they were incompetent. Seems to me, Dave, that realizing you don't know enough is a good sign.

(Not that the other ways folks have put it are half bad either.
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If the odds are a million to one against something occurring, chances are 50-50 it will.
 
You can be as old and crazy as you want Uncle Bill.

The problem is that even a stopped clock is right twice a day ( there are some days that twice would be an improvement for me ) but how do you know *WHEN* those two times are?
 
I never doubted the elders in my youth, and although I respect other theories and beliefs, I will not doubt the elders now as well.

Something I have noticed- the more time you spend outside, on Mother Earth, the more the Old Ones make sense.
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The confidence of amateurs is the envy of professionals.
 
Hi guys, I wanted in on this discussion. I am a relatively new poster, but often reader. I came across a book called "The Red Book" I think and it dealt with Indian oral and written tradition from rocks in the SE somewhere. I'm not too sure about it since I bought it for a friend and although he quotes it in discussions we have, he won't let me read it! I have a smattering of archaeological learning from college and from what I have seen there is no fossil evidence of Indians being in North America for the amounts of time humans have been in other parts of the world. Basically, even without the land bridge, Indians would have migrated to the Americas somehow. Quietone you mentioned tradition that spoke of Indians here in North America since prior to the land bridge, could you give me some more info. I am a part-time new comer to Indian culture and I must qualify all my statements with by saying that I don't read enough as I want to. Sorry guys for the long post.

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"In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is King."

 
Zuni, Hopi, Navaho, I seem to remember tales of their predecessors coming out of the earth. Southern Paiute are a mystery to me.

With Northern Paiute, there were stories told about first man and first woman. At least the lady off the McDermitt Reservation told some to me.

Yvsa, tune in tomorrow when Bill will hopefully get the pics I sent up.


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Ma'am, I DID NOT call you an unfit mother.
The judge did that in this court order.
 
Only eight days to reach the point you know nothing? Congratulations are definitely warranted.

It took me nearly 40 years to reach the point I understood I truly didn't know anything, and I've been there ever since, barring the occasional lapses. (VBEG & LOL)

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Ma'am, I DID NOT call you an unfit mother.
The judge did that in this court order.
 
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Some of the old stories I have
heard relates how we (The Cherokee) first came from what is known as the Pleiades and settled on an island that sunk into the ocean a long time ago.

When that happened we were given the land in what is known as the Southeastern part of the US.
Maybe the sun on that other world colord our skin the shade it is?
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Then there are the old stories about Spearfinger and other entities the old ones like to tell to make us wonder "just" what it was we heard in the dark.
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I think this quote from T.S. Eliot is quite profound in its simplicity:

Where is the Life we have lost in living?
Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge?
Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?
 
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